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Posted: 4/26/2011 5:42 PM
I'll defend Love on this one.  If it drives revenue, do it.  So the fans are 1 row off the floor...big deal.

As for the Athens Mafia, I'll reiterate my complaint about the G&W Club's myopic view on leadership back in the 1990s when I asked about becoming a board member.  One of my suggestions was that they have affiliates in the four corners of the state for game watch parties, fund-raising events, etc.  One idea was a NE Ohio affiliate that would hold annual golf tourney to raise money.  I was told, "No, we prefer to be an Athens-centered club."  I know you guys like to take swings at Schaus for the Ohio Bobcat Club, but at least he's doing outreach beyond Athens County.  The caravans, Bobcat Ambassadors, etc. - very good ideas that the G&W Club could have pioneered  but didn't.  Nope, not when you you could rely on that big Rax ox roast held on a weekday night, thereby precluding participation of anyone from outside a 60 mile radius.

As for safety concerns, how is this any different from the courtside seating available at NBA games?
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Posted: 4/26/2011 5:48 PM
I predict this ends when someone hits a three at the buzzer for a Bobcat and a big-time donor gets injured.  This just seems like a terrible idea.  Baselines, sure.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 6:33 PM
I am pro-Schaus too.  I think they are trying to do things that generate revenue and increase fan value.  I do not think this will sell unless they are doing individual games as upgrades for current ticket holders.  I just don't know who would want to sit there every single game. 

If they really want revenue, they will follow the lead of Oliver Luck and WVU.  While in Parkersburg last week (2 days after OU caravan), he said WVU will start serving beer at athletic events.  They will do it in a controlled environment through their concession vendor.  I was not aware that they are the last Big East school to serve beer at their football stadium.  You want general fan interest and extra revenue?  Make my Rohr Room pass a fasttrack to the beer line instead of allowing me to get Skittles and a pretzel before the non-donors.  That is valuable.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 10:02 PM
In my opinion this is definitely an idea worth trying. If there's a possible extra revenue stream available it has to be looked at strongly (695's idea also). It wasn't a hastily made decision, as they tried it for the MAC East games last year.

With all due respect to some on this thread, I don't think they'll be going after people that gripe about the 100$ donation to get the 600/900 for these seats.

I know a couple people that said they'd consider getting these seats if they were offered as season tickets. Not sure if they'll pull the trigger or not. I have a lot of friends in platinum section that will probably pass on the seats. But I can't help but think XX years down the road when some of us will say "boy I would do anything to get into those seats now.. And to think I passed on them in 2011... " I'll bet that it happens.

I can empathize a bit with a couple O Zoners that have concerns about having people sit in front. But I hope that's just an initial reaction that may not end up being such a big deal when they realize they have people sitting down in front, as opposed to cheerleaders standing and in the way.

A couple other initial thoughts to some comments:

Fully agree with SBH on the above post, not going to list all of his points.

JSF wrote:expand_more
I will actually theorize that, at least in the short term, the O Zone will suffer from the cheerleaders moving.

I actually would have thought the exact opposite. What I noticed was the O Zone leading the cheerleaders, seemingly more often than not.

The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Exactly.  This will hurt our home court advantage, IMO.

I could possibly buy this argument. But I also can make the argument that home court advantage has been slipping recently anyway, and that is why the band was brought into the O Zone.

Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
There is a big risk being undertaken by the Athletic Department....

I think there is a risk, but I don't know if it's a large one. Sitting idle while the risk of reduced athletic funding is higher than this. 35K or whatever it may be, anything is better than having to cut another sport, play an all-road non-conf schedule for money, etc.

Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Should be interesting. I think it will be fine, but I would encourage students to be themselves and for the O-zone to do what they do best, regardless of the impact on some stuffy donors (if the floor people do in fact turn out to be stuffy).

Agree 100% here. Donors/O Zone ages (and vocabulary) may vary, but everyone in that section will be there for the same reason - Ohio basketball.
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Posted: 4/26/2011 11:58 PM
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I will actually theorize that, at least in the short term, the O Zone will suffer from the cheerleaders moving.

I actually would have thought the exact opposite. What I noticed was the O Zone leading the cheerleaders, seemingly more often than not.


I'm not making a firm prediction, but I don't think the cheerleaders get enough credit.  When they weren't there, it felt kind of weird.  I think there's going to be an adjustment period.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 12:17 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
I will actually theorize that, at least in the short term, the O Zone will suffer from the cheerleaders moving.

I actually would have thought the exact opposite. What I noticed was the O Zone leading the cheerleaders, seemingly more often than not.


I'm not making a firm prediction, but I don't think the cheerleaders get enough credit. When they weren't there, it felt kind of weird. I think there's going to be an adjustment period.
Per the cheerleaders - great gymnasts - but the cheer "leading" has been non-existant for years..............

They do a great job of every now and then deciding to try and get everybody loud when we have the ball for some reason though!

The O Zone ABSOLUTELY "leads" the "cheerleaders"...............
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Posted: 4/27/2011 12:23 AM
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Love - I think you may have taken his question out of context.

I'll aks the same question. Why mess with the best student section seating in the MAC and possibly the country? Nowhere else, that I can think of, is the student section that large and has their toe's on the floor....and at mid court! Ask any coach or player in the MAC and they'll tell you our student section is the hardest they have to face....because they are always right in your face. I'm sure they'll be happy to now have yet another buffer between them and our students/band. Imagine how Duke would be if they removed the "press row" from infront of their student section.

This has nothing to do with not wanting change or advancing the program. But somethings people just want to ask if it wasn't broken why change it.

I don't like it when people on this board attack you because you question our Non Conference football scheduling so why attack a guy who simply asked a question?

If people asked more questions like this maybe the world of sports would not have seat licensing, $10 beers and $6 nachos.

I'm all for change when change makes sense.

But I guess when its ALWAYS and ONLY about the money all sports fans should shut up, reach deeper and deeper into their wallets and purses because a marketing employee thought of another way to gouge the fans who are to stupid to stand up and question why.
A lot of great and relevant points here. The NCAA $'s/arms race is out of hand. Does anyone think that if less $ was spent on the programs - that the level of play, exitement of the competition and rivalries would "decrease"? We (fans, alumnus) are getting taken for a ride........

It's time for some common sense in the NCAA. The big schools/conferences are driving this $'s/arms race - and the vast majority of NCAA schools cannot keep up. This is amatuer competition - not professional............
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Posted: 4/27/2011 12:29 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
  We (fans, alumnus) are getting taken for a ride........


I'm not sure this is true at Ohio.  The tickets and concessions seem very reasonable to me compared to other "bigger" conferences.

A case could/should be made that Ohio does div I athletics the right way.  We aren't spending $40-$50-$60 million.  We aren't building 2-3-4 separate practice facilities for football, basketball, etc.  Locker rooms are not insanely decadent.  We don't pay our coaches $1+ million.  We give our students front row (uh....well until next year) seats and don't stuff them off in some corner or under the basket.  Our athletics administration staff is not bloated... and etc ...
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Posted: 4/27/2011 12:45 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
  We (fans, alumnus) are getting taken for a ride........


I'm not sure this is true at Ohio.  The tickets and concessions seem very reasonable to me compared to other "bigger" conferences.

A case could/should be made that Ohio does div I athletics the right way.  We aren't spending $40-$50-$60 million.  We aren't building 2-3-4 separate practice facilities for football, basketball, etc.  Locker rooms are not insanely decadent.  We don't pay our coaches $1+ million.  We give our students front row (uh....well until next year) seats and don't stuff them off in some corner or under the basket.  Our athletics administration staff is not bloated... and etc ...


I will give you tickets, but have you purchased anything from the concession stands?  Those prices are on par with industry averages. 

And given the demand for tickets the students will be moved for a buck, that is just the economics of the business.  They get courtside because there is no other need for courtside.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 1:23 PM
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I will give you tickets, but have you purchased anything from the concession stands?  Those prices are on par with industry averages. 

And given the demand for tickets the students will be moved for a buck, that is just the economics of the business.  They get courtside because there is no other need for courtside.


Wrong on both accounts.  Travel to a game and try to get concessions for the same price.  Pitt, Ohio State, MAC Tournament, Cavs, WVU and even Marshall had higher concession prices than I encounter at Ohio.  I would guess 25-50% higher prices than the Convo or Peden.  They are on par with other MAC schools, but not industry average. 

You could fill up the OZone with season ticket holders by offering those seats to the lower bowl tickets for a slightly higher price.  The OZone is part of the environment and the regular season ticket holders respect that. 
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Posted: 4/27/2011 1:44 PM
I had half-season tickets for OSU this year....$22.50 for two 7-inch pizzas, a pop, and a gatorade.  Can't remember what the exact prices were for things at the Convo, but they were nowhere near that..
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Posted: 4/27/2011 7:51 PM
Actually those prices are right on par for that order. Maybe a buck less
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Posted: 4/27/2011 8:32 PM
Pizzas cost $5 at The Convo.  I'm guessing pop/Gatorade costs $3 (never bought 'em), so you're looking at $16.  That's significantly less.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 9:22 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Pizzas cost $5 at The Convo.  I'm guessing pop/Gatorade costs $3 (never bought 'em), so you're looking at $16.  That's significantly less.


Yeah I think it was something like $2.50 a cup OR you could pay $5 and get a bigger cup with free refills throughout the game.

Overall, it's just nice to buy some snacks for a reasonable price at one of OUr ballgames.
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Posted: 4/28/2011 8:44 AM
There is really no question concessions are significantly cheaper at the Convo than at OSU or similiar universities.
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