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Alan Swank
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Posted: 4/4/2011 6:20 PM
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I assume Alan means FB & baseball, and in the case of the former, I really think a FB game can be done off-site with acceptable loss of quality of content. No one broadcasts FB from the sideline. Often, TV broadcasters watch live action when they would be better off using monitors during a game. It's amazing how often live announcers botch short-yardage situations because they are watching the field instead of a monitor that would include the keyed-in first-down line.

Essentially, given access to all of the available cameras & relevant nat audio from a site, a remote broadcast of most sports probably wouldn't suffer much. I'm shocked more miserable ESPN3-esque games aren't conducted this way for TV.
FWIW, the non-English-language dubs of ESPN's FIFA World Cup coverage on ESPN3 and on their various networks around the world this summer were done in Bristol, as was Spanish-language coverage of Wimbledon for ESPN Latin America.  (As far as I know, that's fairly common for second-language or multi-language productions -- those were the only two I actually dropped in on personally).  They only got a program video feed too, not even all (or some) available angles.  Just mix in nats and you're off and running, nobody is any the wiser.

For announcers, you lose a lot of the color of the game by not being at court level. Calling the game without being able to read faces, hear coaches and talk to officials is harder. It's a lot like the 'fake' broadcasts that are done to translate soccer or F1 for English language; imagine just sitting in a room in Bristol, watching a game on TV and trying to broadcast it intelligently.


Lies.  You just want to "be seen."


Lies is a little harsh Jeff but your post confirms what I said earlier about "being seen."

Alan, I think your sarcasm filter might need calibrated a touch.


Got me on that one but with threads being deleted and explanations being locked today, you never know.   I do stand by my comments on wanting to be seen though.  Nice to have a "conversation" that has a flow to it.
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Posted: 4/4/2011 6:21 PM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
For announcers, you lose a lot of the color of the game by not being at court level. Calling the game without being able to read faces, hear coaches and talk to officials is harder. It's a lot like the 'fake' broadcasts that are done to translate soccer or F1 for English language; imagine just sitting in a room in Bristol, watching a game on TV and trying to broadcast it intelligently.


Lies.  You just want to "be seen."


Lies is a little harsh Jeff but your post confirms what I said earlier about "being seen."


Who is Jeff?
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Posted: 4/4/2011 8:05 PM
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Alan

You and I have established that we both prefer to be up and away iin order to see the patterns, I assume you still like to be close enough that you can observe the smaller things on the court ( you do keep paying those  prices you find so detestable for select seats.....unless that is just because you want to be seen) but I am really wondering why you are taking this notion that the announcers are not really at an advantage fro what they do being closer to the court. I am assuming , anf correct me if I ma wrong , that you are serious about our guys just wanting to be down to be seen?

Cruising  around the websites 0f  stadiums in the NBA and as many colleges as I could it seems the majority of the radio and tv calls are made from on the floor. Do you suppose we are trendsetters and real pioneers carving out a place upstairs that totally screws up  foot traffic when a big time television production comes and closes down the area behind the broadcast area closing the concourse  . If necessity is the mother of invention and form follows function one would think that more announcers would be upstairs if that were indeed the best place. I suspect the truth is you and I  enjoy the games where we do but the ideal place for an announcer is not where he will be seen but the place where he feels he can interpret the happenings on the floor with the greatest accuracy.

 I am not sure that an 8 or 10 foot table withthe Ozone ritgh behind in row 3 and  seats to the left or right or the rest of the bleachers still fully exteded would give on camera angles with the Christmas break sized Ozone or a regular Dads weekend Ozone  great tv angles and presence to the students. I have always enjoyed seeing the halftimes
 summary by the announcersl  with the crowd behind them at broadcasts everywhere. Aside from Kent  and BG has enyone ever seen a broadcast from any arena where they cut away to a set of broadcasters in the corner or far focus to someone sitting up in the nosebleeds? I tried all day to think of an arena where I have seen that.
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Posted: 4/4/2011 9:19 PM
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Don't know what Russ and Rob would prefer, but I think having the play-by-play guys under a basket would be horrid.  In one of my previous lives I did radio play-by-play and color for high school games.  The thing about radio is that the on-air folks need to provide listeners with the best seat in the house.  TV has cameras to do that; radio relies solely on the on-air folks for that.  If they're sitting under a basket, half the action is 90 feet away, with little depth perception.  It would be like sitting behind the right-hand hitter's batter's box and trying call a play at first base, with the home plate ump and the catcher in between.  And they would blocked by bigs for a lot of the action underneath.  They need to be somewhere on the side.

Every gym is different, so I had a chance to call games from a lot of angles -- everything from sitting next to a coach to bonking my head on a ceiling beam.  The one I always preferred was toward the middle, about two rows behind the scorer's table.  You're off the floor a bit and get a fairly unobstructed view; and you're close enough to hear discussions between the refs and the scorer.   And you can always pass notes down to the scorer to find out what's going on (although these days, you could just e-mail them).  I know that would cost the program a couple of seat licenses, but I think it would be worth it for the quality of the broadcasts.
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Posted: 4/4/2011 11:08 PM
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Joe Tait sits upstairs.  And prefers it.
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Posted: 4/4/2011 11:41 PM
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Anyof that have to do with his cardiac condition or lifestyle situation?
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Posted: 4/5/2011 12:02 AM
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Joe Tait sits upstairs.  And prefers it.


So that makes, what, .2% of PBP guys?  And, sadly, he's retiring.
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Posted: 4/5/2011 8:40 AM
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The folks a correct. The old bleachers used to be in four seperate sections. On the table side they would pull the two outer sections for spectators and put risers and tables in the middle. Radio was in the top section of that area equalling the last row of that section.

I was in Grad School when they put radio right in front of the student section. My job was to protect Dick Schorr and feed him info as needed. It didn't take long for the students to realize they had a live microphone just a few feet away if you know what I mean.

This was during the Trent years and they did put extra tables on the baseline for press for the big games.
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Posted: 4/5/2011 12:53 PM
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  If they're sitting under a basket, half the action is 90 feet away, with little depth perception.  It would be like sitting behind the right-hand hitter's batter's box and trying call a play at first base, with the home plate ump and the catcher in between.  And they would blocked by bigs for a lot of the action underneath.  They need to be somewhere on the side.


Just to be clear

I never advocated baseline radio. My diea was played out onthe left hand side of your viewing screen when you watch the girls Final Four tonite. Where I sat inthe first row for state finals is now press row and they rolled a few rows of seat back. I think you could do that in the Convo in the middle of the court Ozone side and have the lexan fence behind the announcers as the Ozoners mostly enter fromthe top anyway (don't they?)  At Conseco they did it for press on the end. In our place we would do it for the announcers to get down to the floor and work withthe limited amount of Sideline.

As for the kids behind the mikes...they ar so directional these days I wonder if it would be an issue....if it was maybe just put the band in the middle behind them....or actually expect students to conduct themselves like rowdy but intelligent students and dont be a D&*k. I get so embarrassed fro other schools when we visit and their students are not even funny or inventive....just D*%ks like the Rowdies at Kron or the weirdoes and malcontents at other places where their best cheer is "you suck".....how original
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Alan my friend - on what are you basing your thought that the announcers want to be seen?  I do not agree.  I never got the feeling that any of the announcers I worked with wanted to be seen.  They wanted to produce the best product they could and that would be done courtside.   I can think of many  occasions when we got good information by being courtside that we wouldn't have got if we were stuck  somewhere else.   Chick Hearn used to do Laker games from half way up the arena.  He hated it - and in later years mainly because he didn't like to do the walk up the stairs to his position after doing pre-game and halftime shots from courtside.  At Utah State we were at the very top of the arena.  At New Mexico in the Pitt we were in the middle of the arena surrounded by their fans.  They would pelt us with candy and popcorn during the games. 

Brocasters need to be as close to the action as possible - and not because they need to be seen. 
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 or the weirdoes and malcontents at other places where their best cheer is "you suck".....how original
miami band anyone?
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Posted: 4/7/2011 8:29 AM
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What if we pulled a Vanderbilt and moved the team benches to behind/under the basket. Just extend the scorer's table to the length of the floor which will allow for radio/TV to slide in. IMO, that solves a lot a whole lot of issues. And with the band not being behind the basket anymore, this makes the move even easier.
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Posted: 4/7/2011 10:41 AM
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Alan my friend - on what are you basing your thought that the announcers want to be seen?  I do not agree.  I never got the feeling that any of the announcers I worked with wanted to be seen.  They wanted to produce the best product they could and that would be done courtside.   I can think of many  occasions when we got good information by being courtside that we wouldn't have got if we were stuck  somewhere else.   Chick Hearn used to do Laker games from half way up the arena.  He hated it - and in later years mainly because he didn't like to do the walk up the stairs to his position after doing pre-game and halftime shots from courtside.  At Utah State we were at the very top of the arena.  At New Mexico in the Pitt we were in the middle of the arena surrounded by their fans.  They would pelt us with candy and popcorn during the games. 

Brocasters need to be as close to the action as possible - and not because they need to be seen. 


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