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Posted: 11/20/2011 10:06 PM
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We need to find a three game stretch where we can work Keely and get him consistent touches because we will need a consistent inside game. We will have to live wth his turnover but he will be able to score. We are not getting nearly enough from our big men. Groce has no margin of error for future recruits because two years from now they will have no scoring options maybe Kellogg. Jacobs, Goard Johnson and Hall will not be big factors. We need to get Baltic and Keely going if we want to win the MAC.
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Posted: 11/20/2011 10:39 PM
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Combined Baltic and Keely are averaging 22.3 ppg and 12 rpg.  Maybe we would want the rebounding averages to be a little higher, but I am just fine with the offensive production, esp when we have Offutt and DJ averaging double figures and Kellogg averaging almost 9 ppg.  As for the rebounding numbers, the average would be higher but somehow Baltic did not grab a single rebound today.  Also, DJ is averaging 4 boards per game, Offutt is averaging more than 7 per game, Smith is averaging almost 5, and Rico is averaging almost 4.

I think Stevie Taylor might have something to say about there being no scorers other than Kellogg. 
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Posted: 11/20/2011 10:43 PM
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I will also add that a lot of people wrote off Baltic as someone who would not be an offensive weapon for us after his freshman year, but he has progressed very well. Washington was similar to Goard his freshman year, and he ended up being an offensive guy by the end of his career.  KVK also became someone that could score by the end of his career.  Lets let the young guys have some time before we earmark their roles as juniors/seniors.
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Posted: 11/20/2011 11:55 PM
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allen wrote:expand_more
Groce has no margin of error for future recruits because two years from now they will have no scoring options maybe Kellogg. Jacobs, Goard Johnson and Hall will not be big factors.


You forgot about Stevie Taylor. From what I've seen so far, he will pick up the scoring slack whenever that is needed. 
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Posted: 11/20/2011 11:59 PM
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Keeley is MUCH improved this year. Baltic was unstoppable on "O" 1st half. Continued progression of course needed - but I see it happening.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 9:30 AM
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The 1st half Baltic looked like the guy who began to "get it" late last season. I hope we can see more of that moving forward. If Baltic and Keeley are clicking, this team will be very dangerous.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 10:57 AM
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allen wrote:expand_more
Groce has no margin of error for future recruits because two years from now they will have no scoring options maybe Kellogg. Jacobs, Goard Johnson and Hall will not be big factors.


We have no idea how Goard, Johnson and Hall will develop offensively down the road.  From what I've seen I wouldn't say that any of the three can't develop into a reliable offensive weapon. 
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Posted: 11/21/2011 12:25 PM
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Groce has no margin of error for future recruits because two years from now they will have no scoring options maybe Kellogg. Jacobs, Goard Johnson and Hall will not be big factors.


We have no idea how Goard, Johnson and Hall will develop offensively down the road.  From what I've seen I wouldn't say that any of the three can't develop into a reliable offensive weapon. 


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TJ is a scorer, he is in a funny postion but he can indeed, put the ball on the floor and slash to the basket, pull up and hit the bunny/mid range and he can shoot the three. SOmetimes this offense puts guys in places where they have a hard time and get labelled one dimensional the way it is run. TJ is actually a more versatile scorer *IMHO* than RIc. Just has not had the opportunity to show it in this system. FOr the folks who need a comparison TJ in his element would look more like Steve Coleman than anyone else. Kellogg is a pure shooter who also has the ability to handle the ball and get to the rim. Not sure why anyone is questioning his scoring ability after the AKron Gmae last year where he showed he could score in everyway one could sit here nad think of.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 12:28 PM
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allen wrote:expand_more
Groce has no margin of error for future recruits because two years from now they will have no scoring options maybe Kellogg.


This is the first time I can remember someone giving up hope on two seasons from now. Impressive.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 1:59 PM
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Groce has no margin of error for future recruits because two years from now they will have no scoring options maybe Kellogg.


This is the first time I can remember someone giving up hope on two seasons from now. Impressive.


Esp when the team is 3-0 and playing pretty well.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 2:35 PM
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Groce better hit a bunch of home runs, because we don't have anyone currently to put the ball in the basket for the 2017-2018 season unless we redshirt Bradds.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 2:49 PM
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Groce better hit a bunch of home runs, because we don't have anyone currently to put the ball in the basket for the 2017-2018 season unless we redshirt Bradds.


Screw that.  We will be looking at that year as a great year compared to what we have in 2018-19. 
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Posted: 11/21/2011 6:27 PM
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Really? We're discussing the 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 seasons?

Let's enjoy the moment here, folks!
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Posted: 11/21/2011 10:22 PM
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22 points and 12 rebounds is not enough we need 30 and 17. Lets face Hall, Johnson and Goard are role players at most. I wish them well but Johnson averaged 14 points his senior year in high school. Jacobs has played minimally and Hall is not consistent .
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Posted: 11/21/2011 10:37 PM
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22 points and 12 rebounds is not enough we need 30 and 17. Lets face Hall, Johnson and Goard are role players at most. I wish them well but Johnson averaged 14 points his senior year in high school. Jacobs has played minimally and Hall is not consistent .


They are role players now, yes. But once people graduate role players become top options. 

This is who Ricardo reminds me of: http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/davis_whitney00.html
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Posted: 11/21/2011 10:49 PM
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22 points and 12 rebounds is not enough we need 30 and 17. Lets face Hall, Johnson and Goard are role players at most. I wish them well but Johnson averaged 14 points his senior year in high school. Jacobs has played minimally and Hall is not consistent .


So you want them to average the same amount of ppg as Cooper and Offut combined...... that is not going to happen on a team with this much depth.  You are also asking them to grab the same number of rebounds per game as Henson and Zeller down at UNC did last year, 2 rpg more than the top two big man rebounders at UCONN last year, and 4 more RPG more than the top two rebounders at Butler last year.
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Posted: 11/22/2011 4:05 PM
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
22 points and 12 rebounds is not enough we need 30 and 17. Lets face Hall, Johnson and Goard are role players at most. I wish them well but Johnson averaged 14 points his senior year in high school. Jacobs has played minimally and Hall is not consistent .


They are role players now, yes. But once people graduate role players become top options. 

This is who Ricardo reminds me of: http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/davis_whitney00.html


Great comparison. He's further along than Whitney was at this point, too.
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Posted: 11/22/2011 8:15 PM
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Agreed - Very good comparison
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crackerbaby00 wrote:expand_more
22 points and 12 rebounds is not enough we need 30 and 17. Lets face Hall, Johnson and Goard are role players at most. I wish them well but Johnson averaged 14 points his senior year in high school. Jacobs has played minimally and Hall is not consistent .


So you want them to average the same amount of ppg as Cooper and Offut combined...... that is not going to happen on a team with this much depth.  You are also asking them to grab the same number of rebounds per game as Henson and Zeller down at UNC did last year, 2 rpg more than the top two big man rebounders at UCONN last year, and 4 more RPG more than the top two rebounders at Butler last year.


They'd better; Groce has no margin for error!
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Posted: 11/23/2011 12:47 PM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
TJ is a scorer, he is in a funny postion but he can indeed, put the ball on the floor and slash to the basket, pull up and hit the bunny/mid range and he can shoot the three. SOmetimes this offense puts guys in places where they have a hard time and get labelled one dimensional the way it is run. TJ is actually a more versatile scorer *IMHO* than RIc. Just has not had the opportunity to show it in this system. FOr the folks who need a comparison TJ in his element would look more like Steve Coleman than anyone else.


Wow.  This surprises me.  I figured TJ just isn't quick enough to be an offensive threat other than an open jumper.  We need him for Rico to be a bit of a threat as we'll likely need one of them on the court for stretches for defensive reasons.
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Posted: 11/23/2011 12:54 PM
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Really? We're discussing the 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 seasons?

Let's enjoy the moment here, folks!


Actually, no not really. It was completely tongue-in-cheek.
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