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Posted: 1/15/2012 12:58 PM
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Is this comical to anyone else?  The worst 13-4 team in the country?  Who gives a crap!  We are 13-4! This post is a JOKE.  I will take the worst 13-4 team in the country because I doubt I can count the numbe rof people on this board on one hand that thought we would be 13-4 at this point.  Beats the hell out of the best 11-6 team in the country.

Unbelievable!


You hit the nail on the head with this one. You've heard of people celebrating moral victories (think the Louisville game this year)  "hey, we lost, but we kept it close!" This is like the opposite where some fans are unhappy with the way we've lost some of these games and want to go back and adjust our record so it has more losses. It's just insanity.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 1:13 PM
I think people need to relax a little.  Until we start taking losses at home, I'm not going to panic! It's tough to win on the road.  We don't expect MAC teams to beat us at home, so why are we that surprised that we lost a couple of close games on the road?

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Posted: 1/15/2012 1:38 PM
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...so why are we that surprised that we lost a couple of close games on the road?



Because Akron already has two MAC East road victories. And if we don't get the 1 or 2 seeds (or at least the 3-4) we are going to have a very hard time winning the MAC Tournament. 
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Posted: 1/15/2012 2:13 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
...so why are we that surprised that we lost a couple of close games on the road?


Because Akron already has two MAC East road victories. And if we don't get the 1 or 2 seeds (or at least the 3-4) we are going to have a very hard time winning the MAC Tournament.

Not to discount the new tournament's setup making it easier for the top 1 or 2, but the average seed to win the tournament the last six years (since the conference went to divisions) is 4.333.  3 were won by teams with a bye, 3 (the most recent 3) without.  Also, the 4 seed (last with a bye, closest to average of the winners) had an average of 6 conference losses each season.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 3:48 PM
Let's face it, other than a few fleeting momnents one March a few years back, we have not been anything special the last five years.  Are we at the next level yet?
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Posted: 1/15/2012 4:15 PM
A .438 conference record speaks for itself.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 6:12 PM
Had no idea it is that low. Sadly, in a very mediocre (at best) conference.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 6:44 PM
The actual conference stat for Groce is 0.471. Sorry to have reported the wrong number. Still, hardly the next level.
 
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Posted: 1/15/2012 10:07 PM
HeHateMiami wrote:expand_more
Is this comical to anyone else?  The worst 13-4 team in the country?  Who gives a crap!  We are 13-4! This post is a JOKE.  I will take the worst 13-4 team in the country because I doubt I can count the numbe rof people on this board on one hand that thought we would be 13-4 at this point.  Beats the hell out of the best 11-6 team in the country.

Unbelievable!


You hit the nail on the head with this one. You've heard of people celebrating moral victories (think the Louisville game this year)  "hey, we lost, but we kept it close!" This is like the opposite where some fans are unhappy with the way we've lost some of these games and want to go back and adjust our record so it has more losses. It's just insanity.


I do feel like we're the best of the 1-2 teams in the MAC.

And as far as DJ goes, I think his shooting load and selection is more of a symptom than a cause of offensive problems. Yes, he's always going to chuck a couple bad shots, but as perimeterpost pointed out, we can live with them when other things are going well.
Last Edited: 1/15/2012 10:08:28 PM by JSF
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Posted: 1/15/2012 11:10 PM
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The constant sniping at this kid is pathetic. Borna hit the nail on the head, the others we have on the floor, especially the shooters, need to work themselves into lanes to accept the pass and THEN shoot it. 

How about the numerous times yesterday that DJ, the SMALLEST kid on the floor, took on the Giant in the paint and beat him. DJ's foul shots taken and made yesterday weren't the result of his jacking up a 3. It was from driving the rim and challenging and quite honestly IMO there were numerous occasions he got mugged and got No calls!

How many times does DJ make the pass to one of the bigs underneath and they either weren't ready or fail to catch the pass or immediately catch it and attempt to throw it right back to DJ.


There were lots of factors that led to the loss against the Zips. Remember we went into that game as 3.5pt underdogs, not 35 pt favorites as the delusional think we should be. The Zips aren't exactly chump change, although there are chumps, and we knew it would be a battle. 

The officiating left much to be desired and left us totally and completely exposed underneath. Even the Akron fans I was around were screaming for the refs to swallow their whistles and let the kids play the game.  Akron outscored us at the line by 15 and had more than double the foul attempts.That alone is almost impossible to overcome on the road and normally would translate into a double-digit loss. 

If I had to place blame for the loss I would look more to Gross. Yea the officiating stunk, however his going from working the refs to turning into a stark raving maniac at crucial times is not helpful. I think he gets WAY to caught up with what the refs are doing and loses focus on what his team needs to be doing and loses it's focus as well. Also couldn't understand why Gross didn't go more zone as the fouls piled up against his bigs and Akron just feed Marshall underneath leaving  us essentially defenseless. 

Don't lose sight of the fact that there are times that a combination of Smith, Hall, Johnson or Guoard are on the floor and none of them are looking scoring first. Puts a ton on pressure on the DJ's of the world to take up the scoring slack. Sorry I'm just not buying that DJ cost us the game, I'm actually of the opinion he did yeoman's work to give us a chance to win it against some long odds.




Is is that hard to learn the names of our head coach or our players?  If you are going to call out the coach, at least get his name right.  OUr head coach is John Groce.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 11:13 PM
And, note "Close Game" record...
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Posted: 1/15/2012 11:35 PM
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look, i went to the BG game.  I havent been following the game a ton the last few years, but I surely felt cooper was taking many many bad shots and will continue to cost us games in future if he continued play like this. 

Kellogg is too shy
baltic is ok
and who else to we have.   When cooper aint shooting decent we are not going to win

peace  (gary trent fan)

when gary didnt show up we didnt wiin either fyi

step up cooper play to win


I never remember Gary Trent not showing up....ever.

Seriously...the guy never shot 2-15 from the field. Granted his shots were mainly withing 10 feet, but still. The guy always showed up.


thanks for reminding me. But we did 'lose a few' with Gary, but usually it was because the outside shooters stayed at home that night
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Posted: 1/15/2012 11:37 PM
Hey, 695, it was a play on words. I thought the coaching was "Gross" at times. Of all people, I thought you would have been bright enough to catch it.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:41 AM

I'm gonna do something that I may have only done one other time.  I'm gonna agree with permiter.

DJ was fine in this game.  2-15 doesn't come close to telling the story.  He got to the line and made his shots there.  I'm fine with his performance.  He was not the problem.

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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:42 PM
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I'm gonna do something that I may have only done one other time.  I'm gonna agree with permiter.

DJ was fine in this game.  2-15 doesn't come close to telling the story.  He got to the line and made his shots there.  I'm fine with his performance.  He was not the problem.



Hi-5!
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Posted: 1/17/2012 11:05 AM
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I do feel like we're the best of the 1-2 teams in the MAC.

And as far as DJ goes, I think his shooting load and selection is more of a symptom than a cause of offensive problems. Yes, he's always going to chuck a couple bad shots, but as perimeterpost pointed out, we can live with them when other things are going well.


I agree with this.  I knew this thread would be here after the game but the stats only tell part of the story.  The biggest problem we have on offense compared to earlier in the year is that we have almost no one who is confident in their shot right now.   Kellogg is still shooting well but he's chronically under aggressive. He's got to work the shot fake, drive or pull up jumper into his repetoire.   Walter Offut has completely lost confidence in anything but the slash to the hoop.  Not sure why Stevie Taylor isn't getting more time but I would team him with D.J. more because he will do something with the ball.

Up until Akron pulled ahead by 4 points late D.J. was 1-5 on three point attempts.  Three of those came with less than 10 seconds on the shot clock. He was 1-2 on 3 pt attempts with more than 10 seconds on the shot clock. I would say that he had three shots all game that I thought were bad shots. 

The reason we lost on Saturday was not D.J. Cooper. The reason we lost was because we lost every key rebound battle in the last 4 minutes when we turned a lead into a big deficit.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 11:49 AM
Anybody see Mizzou and Texas A&M last night?  Just happened to be eating out and the game was on.  Mizzou's point guard and Big ran the best pcik and roll from the high screen that I have seen all year.  And, A&M defensed it about the way we do.  Anyway, I'd love to see our Bigs roll "hard" to the basket the way the Mizzou Bigs did, get open and then have our PG deliver the ball to them the way Mizzou did for a slam or lay up.  And, I hope I don't see us defend that play the way we are now which is basically the way A&M did.  Big jumping out with nobody picking up the roll guy.  It was really educational to see it done right on the offensive side and wrongly on the defense!
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