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giacomo
12/25/2022 9:55 AM
I believe the NIL will benefit P5 most of all. It really won’t help us keep players who think they can play a level above mid major, especially with the transfer portal. Our guys may be able to get a car deal or a free pizza at Big Red Tomato, but that’s it.

This is just kicking the can down the road from making players employees and paying them. The cat is out of the bag with enormous coaching salaries and players wanting their piece of the pie. In our situation, the P5 will take the lead on the changing landscape and then schools like ours will have to figure out what we need to do. Things are changing.
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BillyTheCat
12/25/2022 11:37 AM
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Unless there is full transparency about which players every dollar is directed to, how can we measure the effectiveness of this collective? Otherwise we're blindly giving money and assuming there will be a trickle down effect that is keeping athletes at Ohio. But will a few hundred extra bucks each actually keep the best players (i.e. Sears, Vanderplas)? Probably not.

So what's the point of all this really. Unless I am misunderstanding, we are just funding pocket cash for athletes on scholarship who can still just leave when they get a better offer on the portal. It doesn't sound like there's much tangible benefit from what I've read so far. Someone please convince me otherwise about the benefit of this for a mid major program.
I’d suggest reaching out to the collective itself to learn about who is involved and what its strategy is. For example, is the plan to have involvement from former players like Preston and Trent? A lot of collectives include previous athletes for credibility to fans/alumni, brands, and current/perspective athletes. I imagine Preston’s and/or Trent’s inclusion would create more openness among those who are uncertain, given their experience as student-athletes and how much they mean to Ohio athletics/basketball.
https://www.on3.com/nil/collectives/1804-sport-collective... /
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TWT
12/25/2022 11:51 AM
We will see how it plays out but I bet the next NCAA Tournament deal which might be for 96 teams will have a stipulation that a certain percentage of the money is earmarked for "student financial assistance". Another words 35% of the conference distribution can be directed to an NIL collective to pay the players. What's going to happen is all the D1 players are going to be paid in some form and the money will be generally bigger in a bigger conference. That will also put the kibosh on a lot of transferring freedom if the idea of greater playing time is counter balanced by a smaller salary. Big Ten for the example has the most money and if you can transfer in there fine but it doesn't make sense to go from the ACC to the Big 12. We are only in the first or second inning where its just about rich schools having NIL capacity and the conference machinery hasn't entrenched behind it yet.
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BuddyLee
12/25/2022 9:14 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Unless there is full transparency about which players every dollar is directed to, how can we measure the effectiveness of this collective? Otherwise we're blindly giving money and assuming there will be a trickle down effect that is keeping athletes at Ohio. But will a few hundred extra bucks each actually keep the best players (i.e. Sears, Vanderplas)? Probably not.

So what's the point of all this really. Unless I am misunderstanding, we are just funding pocket cash for athletes on scholarship who can still just leave when they get a better offer on the portal. It doesn't sound like there's much tangible benefit from what I've read so far. Someone please convince me otherwise about the benefit of this for a mid major program.
I’d suggest reaching out to the collective itself to learn about who is involved and what its strategy is. For example, is the plan to have involvement from former players like Preston and Trent? A lot of collectives include previous athletes for credibility to fans/alumni, brands, and current/perspective athletes. I imagine Preston’s and/or Trent’s inclusion would create more openness among those who are uncertain, given their experience as student-athletes and how much they mean to Ohio athletics/basketball.
https://www.on3.com/nil/collectives/1804-sport-collective... /
Let's be honest that website is garbage, with little information other than a Boals quote. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this goes.
Last Edited: 12/25/2022 9:16:59 PM by BuddyLee
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giacomo
12/26/2022 9:31 AM
You’re right. Not much information. Since it’s listed as a non profit organization, are donations tax deductible?
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BillyTheCat
12/26/2022 11:09 AM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
You’re right. Not much information. Since it’s listed as a non profit organization, are donations tax deductible?
Yes
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JSF
12/26/2022 3:48 PM
I love that we picked the most hipster name we could think of.
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colobobcat66
12/26/2022 4:09 PM
If you look at the on3… site, it looks like Toledo has had one this year and they claim there that they were the first in the MAC. Looking over the list, some big time programs only have 1 or 2, some have 3-4, Nebraska has the most at 5. some big time basketball schools have them. Some lower division football schools have them. A really mixed bag.
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Alan Swank
12/26/2022 6:40 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Color me unconvinced this ends up necessary at all.

If whoever runs this thing can raise enough money to move the needle, great. But my guess is we just compete at a level that the NIL won't really reach in a meaningful way.

May well be wrong, but that's my best guess. Anybody have any sense if what The Bobcat Club raises in a year?
Directly to the club - last figure I saw was south of 1 million.
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TWT
12/27/2022 11:07 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
If you look at the on3… site, it looks like Toledo has had one this year and they claim there that they were the first in the MAC. Looking over the list, some big time programs only have 1 or 2, some have 3-4, Nebraska has the most at 5. some big time basketball schools have them. Some lower division football schools have them. A really mixed bag.
I received notification about the Ohio NIL collective before the Toledo announcement. Afterall JC is on the transformation rules committee and on top of what is allowable. 1804 Sport Collective to my knowledge is the first basketball specific NIL collective in the MAC. At best we are in the 2nd inning with all of this in the college sports industry.
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