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FJC31
3/24/2025 11:19 AM
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/24/2025 11:40 AM
FJC31 wrote:expand_more
Good luck to him. But this is good news. Hopefully this roster spot goes to a big, as well.
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GoCats105
3/24/2025 11:49 AM
Absolutely massive turnover happening at both Toledo and Buffalo. And Shab is correct on Cooper out of Miami, as well as Potter.
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shabamon
3/24/2025 11:55 AM
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Absolutely massive turnover happening at both Toledo and Buffalo. And Shab is correct on Cooper out of Miami, as well as Potter.
Potter? Whoa. Underrated loss for them. Cooper is replaceable with the guy from Lakota East coming in.
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FearLeon
3/24/2025 3:05 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Good luck to him. But this is good news. Hopefully this roster spot goes to a big, as well.
Had to be done for both sides. If Nicol wasn’t going to play on this past season’s team with all the injuries, he was never going to play moving forward. That frees up two portal schollies.
Last Edited: 3/24/2025 3:07:02 PM by FearLeon
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JSF
3/24/2025 4:18 PM
Get excited for two more 6'4" guards!
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GraffZ06
3/24/2025 5:24 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Good luck to him. But this is good news. Hopefully this roster spot goes to a big, as well.
Had to be done for both sides. If Nicol wasn’t going to play on this past season’s team with all the injuries, he was never going to play moving forward. That frees up two portal schollies.
You do realize no matter how many guys we throw to the curb and replace with portalers, there are still going to be guys who are the 11-13th options and will inherently never see the court except for garbage time right?

I guess we can just throw everyone but the starters away every year. There's a ticket for stability and sustained success.
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GraffZ06
3/24/2025 5:29 PM
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The portal officially opens tomorrow (March 24th). Have to believe at least one of these three Bobcats officially jumps in, if not two of them.

Ben Nicol
Ajay Sheldon
Ayden Evans


Sheldon had a horrible shooting year last year. After having an amazing shooting year his Soph year. Which shows up next year? Guys don't just forget/stop being able to shoot. They go into slumps, or have form issues (I think the latter applies to Ajay).
Ummm…..did you not watch Ben Roderick’s last 62 games of his career? The dude finished his career in a 2-year 3-point shooting slump. I have zero confidence that Sheldon can just find his shot in his senior year. He was shaken all year long from the land of three. He’s on scholarship to make that shot and if it’s not going down consistently, it’s hard to justify the scholarship.
So because one guy struggled his Jr and Sr years from the 3 - now every person thereafter who has a down year - is exactly the same and must be cut. Now.

You see no world where Sheldon regains his stroke and shoots 38-40% plus from 3 next year? I'm certainly not saying it WILL happen. I'm saying it COULD happen. History suggests it might even LIKELY happen. If he does that, with his ball handling and defense - along with experience and senior leadership - that's an easily justified scholarship.
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FJC31
3/24/2025 5:39 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
Good luck to him. But this is good news. Hopefully this roster spot goes to a big, as well.
Had to be done for both sides. If Nicol wasn’t going to play on this past season’s team with all the injuries, he was never going to play moving forward. That frees up two portal schollies.
You do realize no matter how many guys we throw to the curb and replace with portalers, there are still going to be guys who are the 11-13th options and will inherently never see the court except for garbage time right?

I guess we can just throw everyone but the starters away every year. There's a ticket for stability and sustained success.
Your desire to die on the hill in favor of the status quo in all these threads is truly a one of a kind stance, I'll give you that.

But sure, let's hold onto to a guys who have proven they can't help instead of trying to find others who can? That seems like a recipe for stability and sustained success.
Last Edited: 3/24/2025 5:54:16 PM by FJC31
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FearLeon
3/24/2025 6:00 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
Good luck to him. But this is good news. Hopefully this roster spot goes to a big, as well.
Had to be done for both sides. If Nicol wasn’t going to play on this past season’s team with all the injuries, he was never going to play moving forward. That frees up two portal schollies.
You do realize no matter how many guys we throw to the curb and replace with portalers, there are still going to be guys who are the 11-13th options and will inherently never see the court except for garbage time right?

I guess we can just throw everyone but the starters away every year. There's a ticket for stability and sustained success.
Yes. Always going to have those guys. It's a pecking order. But if the time comes you have to have enough confidence to play them as others get hurt. For example, even Olumide Adelodun got a run in some non-blowouts to spell people for a few. Bottom line...Nicol is on scholarship who played walk-on minutes. I mean he played two more minutes than Estis. You can't have a guy on scholarship within sniffing distance of the rotation incapable of playing. So this is on Boals too. He's got to be better with the construction of the roster.

Players 10-11-12 will never be as good as 1-2-3, but they have to be good enough to contribute in a pinch. Nicol unfortunately wasn't and he's a swing and a miss for Boals and staff.
Last Edited: 3/24/2025 6:13:33 PM by FearLeon
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/24/2025 6:45 PM
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You do realize no matter how many guys we throw to the curb and replace with portalers, there are still going to be guys who are the 11-13th options and will inherently never see the court except for garbage time right?

I guess we can just throw everyone but the starters away every year. There's a ticket for stability and sustained success.
Completely hypothetical question that in no way is about our actual, current roster construction:

Let's say you have 8 wings on your roster and 3 bigs. One of those bigs hasn't played a minute of college basketball, another is a project who would have to advance a ton between year 1 and 2 to be able to be a consistent rotation player, and the third was recruited as a 3 and plays mostly as a stretch 4. Would it maybe make sense to try and create some depth at a position where you have none instead of keeping a guy who is -- as you note -- likely to never see the court except for in garbage time?

Also, "throw to the curb"? Seems possible to me that Ben Nicol, who worked really hard to be good at basketball, might have decided he actually wanted to play basketball and not be the 11th guy off the bench. There's nobody here coming even remotely close to suggesting we can't develop players, we should toss any non-starter to the curb, or any of the hyperbolic nonsense you claim.

But we are being realistic about the development curve of guys on the roster. Sorry that it seems to make you so uncomfortable for whatever reason.
Last Edited: 3/24/2025 7:06:41 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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OhioCatFan
3/24/2025 6:54 PM
FJC31 wrote:expand_more
Good luck to him. But this is good news. Hopefully this roster spot goes to a big, as well.
Had to be done for both sides. If Nicol wasn’t going to play on this past season’s team with all the injuries, he was never going to play moving forward. That frees up two portal schollies.
You do realize no matter how many guys we throw to the curb and replace with portalers, there are still going to be guys who are the 11-13th options and will inherently never see the court except for garbage time right?

I guess we can just throw everyone but the starters away every year. There's a ticket for stability and sustained success.
Your desire to die on the hill in favor of the status quo in all these threads is truly a one of a kind stance, I'll give you that.

But sure, let's hold onto to a guys who have proven they can't help instead of trying to find others who can? That seems like a recipe for stability and sustained success.
Cub GM in 1964, in the middle of doublheader: "This Lou Brock guy just isn't living up to the hype, I think it would be a good idea to traded him to St. Louis with two other players for two mediocre pitchers and a unproven outfielder. This Brock kid just is too slow developing."
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FJC31
3/24/2025 6:59 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Good luck to him. But this is good news. Hopefully this roster spot goes to a big, as well.
Had to be done for both sides. If Nicol wasn’t going to play on this past season’s team with all the injuries, he was never going to play moving forward. That frees up two portal schollies.
You do realize no matter how many guys we throw to the curb and replace with portalers, there are still going to be guys who are the 11-13th options and will inherently never see the court except for garbage time right?

I guess we can just throw everyone but the starters away every year. There's a ticket for stability and sustained success.
Your desire to die on the hill in favor of the status quo in all these threads is truly a one of a kind stance, I'll give you that.

But sure, let's hold onto to a guys who have proven they can't help instead of trying to find others who can? That seems like a recipe for stability and sustained success.
Cub GM in 1964, in the middle of doublheader: "This Lou Brock guy just isn't living up to the hype, I think it would be a good idea to traded him to St. Louis with two other players for two mediocre pitchers and a unproven outfielder. This Brock kid just is too slow developing."
Sweet. For every Lou Brock, there are dozens of Bubba Starlings, Nick Senzels, and Mark Appels.
Last Edited: 3/24/2025 7:15:11 PM by FJC31
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JSF
3/24/2025 7:05 PM
Illegal use of apostrophes, five yard penalty, repeat the down.
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FJC31
3/24/2025 7:14 PM
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Illegal use of apostrophes, five yard penalty, repeat the down.
Ha - thank my phone. Down replayed.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/24/2025 7:16 PM
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Cub GM in 1964, in the middle of doublheader: "This Lou Brock guy just isn't living up to the hype, I think it would be a good idea to traded him to St. Louis with two other players for two mediocre pitchers and a unproven outfielder. This Brock kid just is too slow developing."
Lou Brock's lone minor league season he batted .361 with a .960 OPS and stole 38 bases. There was a sample there that actually suggested what Lou Brock would become.

Ben Nicol played 12 minutes against Muskingum on a .500 team. How many years in the program are enough to decide if somebody is gonna contribute.

I'm curious -- is there a former Bobcat whose first two years looked like Ben Nicol's who then went on to be a meaningful contributor? Can anybody think of one?
Last Edited: 3/24/2025 7:17:25 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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OhioCatFan
3/24/2025 7:38 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Cub GM in 1964, in the middle of doublheader: "This Lou Brock guy just isn't living up to the hype, I think it would be a good idea to traded him to St. Louis with two other players for two mediocre pitchers and a unproven outfielder. This Brock kid just is too slow developing."
Lou Brock's lone minor league season he batted .361 with a .960 OPS and stole 38 bases. There was a sample there that actually suggested what Lou Brock would become.

Ben Nicol played 12 minutes against Muskingum on a .500 team. How many years in the program are enough to decide if somebody is gonna contribute.

I'm curious -- is there a former Bobcat whose first two years looked like Ben Nicol's who then went on to be a meaningful contributor? Can anybody think of one?
I meant this more as a comment on the general mentality of pushing guys to the curb to quickly than as a specific comment on Ben Nicol, though we saw so little of him, its hard to know how he might look in a year or two. The coaching staff must have originally saw something in him that they liked. Let's hope he doesn't transfer to Miami and become the thorn in the side to us that Brock became to the Cubs.
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GoCats105
3/24/2025 7:38 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I'm curious -- is there a former Bobcat whose first two years looked like Ben Nicol's who then went on to be a meaningful contributor? Can anybody think of one?
-The best example that has been mentioned on this board before that I can think of was Stephen King, which isn't even a great comp because even he saw action in 27 games as a Freshman. Barely played as a Sophomore and Junior, then played 32 (started 4) as a Senior.

-Asown Sayles is another, but his is a weird case where one staff never used him and the next staff did.

-I guess you could say Ethan Jacobs? Didn't do much at Ohio, transferred, and was great at Colgate. Again, not an exact comp. Maybe Nicol has a similar trajectory, but who knows.
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shabamon
3/24/2025 8:02 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I'm curious -- is there a former Bobcat whose first two years looked like Ben Nicol's who then went on to be a meaningful contributor? Can anybody think of one?
-The best example that has been mentioned on this board before that I can think of was Stephen King, which isn't even a great comp because even he saw action in 27 games as a Freshman. Barely played as a Sophomore and Junior, then played 32 (started 4) as a Senior.

-Asown Sayles is another, but his is a weird case where one staff never used him and the next staff did.

-I guess you could say Ethan Jacobs? Didn't do much at Ohio, transferred, and was great at Colgate. Again, not an exact comp. Maybe Nicol has a similar trajectory, but who knows.
I don't know that Sayles was really used as an intended option by Groce, but more like he was usable when the roster needed it. His career was basically:

07 - lots of roster issues throughout the season (Jackson and Ottrix booted, Chatman leaves). By the end of the year we had wings and bigs, but not one true point guard, which Sayles couldn't help.

08 - Orr becomes eligible and Freeman is rotation ready from the jump. We could go 10 deep without him, though he did look decent in garbage time.

09 - medical redshirt

10 - I don't remember us using him much until after Horne left, Coleman broke his hand, and Kinney was booted from the team. After that the rotation needed him and he did well.

11 - He was supposedly done, but then Bassett gets in his trouble, Coleman becomes Stevie Fresh, and the older Kellogg quits. There was kind of an announcement at that point that he was "back"
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shabamon
3/24/2025 9:14 PM
BG's all freshman team center Felt in the portal.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/24/2025 9:21 PM
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BG's all freshman team center Felt in the portal.
Id take him in a heartbeat.
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shabamon
3/25/2025 8:51 AM
It's a tidal wave of new MAC transfers in the last day according to verbalcommits. Mostly UB, Toledo, and CMU are going through a complete overhaul. From my view I think Barbee is a solid coach. CMU is always a tough game but they're not going to build on success flipping their whole roster every year.

Hill leaving Ball State is huge. So is Felt at BG. I don't get Potter leaving Miami unless it's about being behind Woolfolk on the depth chart. I'd take Potter or Felt at Ohio.
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100%Cat
3/25/2025 9:34 AM
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Good luck to him. But this is good news. Hopefully this roster spot goes to a big, as well.
Had to be done for both sides. If Nicol wasn’t going to play on this past season’s team with all the injuries, he was never going to play moving forward. That frees up two portal schollies.
You do realize no matter how many guys we throw to the curb and replace with portalers, there are still going to be guys who are the 11-13th options and will inherently never see the court except for garbage time right?

I guess we can just throw everyone but the starters away every year. There's a ticket for stability and sustained success.
Yes. Always going to have those guys. It's a pecking order. But if the time comes you have to have enough confidence to play them as others get hurt. For example, even Olumide Adelodun got a run in some non-blowouts to spell people for a few. Bottom line...Nicol is on scholarship who played walk-on minutes. I mean he played two more minutes than Estis. You can't have a guy on scholarship within sniffing distance of the rotation incapable of playing. So this is on Boals too. He's got to be better with the construction of the roster.

Players 10-11-12 will never be as good as 1-2-3, but they have to be good enough to contribute in a pinch. Nicol unfortunately wasn't and he's a swing and a miss for Boals and staff.
Agree with this. Guys 9-12 aren't expected to be starter quality, but to be complete dead weight on the bench isn't acceptable, either. We were in a position with Hadaway's injury this year where there really wasn't a backup plan behind him. Someone from the group of recruited 3/4 guys needed to be able to step up and at least provide some minutes...and really none did. Nicol was the guy who was in his 2nd year in the program on scholarship and apparently was a practice squad guy, in all essence. Evans played a few minutes but clearly wasn't ready or trusted.

It's nothing against Ben Nicol personally, but he wasn't seeing the floor here so it's in everyone's best interest for him to move to another program.
Last Edited: 3/25/2025 9:36:33 AM by 100%Cat
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/25/2025 9:46 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I'm curious -- is there a former Bobcat whose first two years looked like Ben Nicol's who then went on to be a meaningful contributor? Can anybody think of one?
-The best example that has been mentioned on this board before that I can think of was Stephen King, which isn't even a great comp because even he saw action in 27 games as a Freshman. Barely played as a Sophomore and Junior, then played 32 (started 4) as a Senior.

-Asown Sayles is another, but his is a weird case where one staff never used him and the next staff did.

-I guess you could say Ethan Jacobs? Didn't do much at Ohio, transferred, and was great at Colgate. Again, not an exact comp. Maybe Nicol has a similar trajectory, but who knows.
Asown's an interesting one. He was basically lost for two years and pretty bad and then became serviceable.

Stephen King seems like he basically just got recruited over -- his freshman year we had pretty bad guard play and then his sophomore and junior years Fears and JaMychal Green show up.
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BillyTheCat
3/25/2025 3:08 PM
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Illegal use of apostrophes, five yard penalty, repeat the down.
Now that was funny! Maybe should have been a loss of down penalty though.
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