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medler
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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:27 PM
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Yank their scholarships, call their mothers, and wash their mouths out with soap...OH...and go to class to practice some critical thinking skills.

btw..since when is calling out obvious racism an invasion of the PC police? 

Ugh...


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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:38 PM
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How about those people just stop being racist? Wouldn't that be a better outcome than whining about the supposed PC police?


I guess I I lied about being my last post. So do you consider when students in a student section chant USA towards a foreign player that it would be considered racist?


Yes, yes I do. At the very least, it's extremely ignorant. Beyond that, it smacks of immature nationalism. And beyond that, it's at least making a tacit claim that those doing the chanting are in some way inherently better than the target. I'm guessing it wasn't a mixed-race group chanting USA.

And beyond all of that, how pathetic is it that THAT'S how we're attempting to show our pride as a nation? We used to be the country everyone looked toward because of our welcoming views and helpful hand toward other nations. In past wars, opposing soldiers would surrender to us instead of fighting further because they knew how well and civilized we'd treat them. But now? We can yell USA at a foreign-looking player because it makes us feel better about ourselves. Pretty sad.
I hear that chant all the time in college basketball, including during the Ohio-Akron game in Cleveland. I will chalk it up to students being students and you can consider as a border line hate crime and we will leave it at that.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:55 PM
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But make jokes about Marshall fans having no teeth, and that's just good clean fun?

Actually, I understand Gallia Cat's points as well as some of the other points being made here by those who were arguing the other side.  I said that I thought what the students said was indefensible and that the university had an obligation to let them know that they were acting in an ignorant and mean-spiritied way.   I think a good discussion with them by the appropriate university official would most likely have shown them the error of their ways and that they would then clean up their act.  If this had been a second offense after a previous discussion with the perps then I would see the university's actions as justifiable.  It just seemed to me that the officials over-reacted and that their concern was more to please various internal constituencies of the university rather than to educate the students involved about how their words showed ignorance and could be perceived as racist.  
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:30 AM
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OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
But make jokes about Marshall fans having no teeth, and that's just good clean fun?

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Really?


THats just like NEw Castle and COnnersville IN. Imagine that......

Naw....that is humour...what makes it funny is that there is a grain of truth somewhere.....otherwise it is just mean. THere is good comedy in there ....the question is the setting... if it was a club, not so bad.....on National TV with no context and tne diversity of the people in a surrounding space....probably not as acceptabel...

Racism and insensitivity that is just plain embarrassing should be dealt with by the host school. THe Bradley game  a  couple of years back and the drunk abusive students  at the end of our bench with 2 cops in fornt of them was an affront to collegiate fanbases. Alcohol seems to give some students huge cajones....

THe NCAA pays homage to the phenomenon in the pre game but it seems to be like the stewardii pre flight ...no one listens...ans worse...no one enforces by removing really bad behaviour.

Last Edited: 3/22/2012 12:32:05 AM by bornacatfan
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Posted: 3/22/2012 9:58 AM
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A couple of points and I'll be done and get back to being amazingly excited for tomorrow:
 
1. "It just seemed to me that the officials over-reacted and that their concern was more to please various internal constituencies of the university rather than to educate the students involved about how their words showed ignorance and could be perceived as racist." 
 
I'm sorry, but it's racist. Not "perceived as racist". Racist. This is like someone like Don Imus saying "I'm sorry if my words offended anyone" as opposed to actually apologizing for making a racist statement.
 
2. "I hear that chant all the time in college basketball, including during the Ohio-Akron game in Cleveland. I will chalk it up to students being students and you can consider as a border line hate crime and we will leave it at that."
 
Hearing it all the time - even from Ohio fans - doesn't make it right, nor does it make it not racist. And can we stop with the slippery slope fallacy? I don't think this is like a lynching or someone getting a cross burned on their yard, but racism takes many forms and for you to dismiss it as "students being students" creates and reinforces an environment where people think they can get away with making flatly racist statements. Fact.
 
As an aside, I'd guess that 99.9% of people posting here who are arguing this away are white. I'd encourage everyone to do some reflecting about the kinds of advantages we enjoy simply by the color of our skin and how it's VERY easy for us to say that it's no big deal. Because to us, it isn't. We don't regularly encounter racism that's subtle, overt, or institutional. 
 
So you can put me on the PC police force or whatever you think, but to ignore the realities at play here is a mistake.
 
That said, Go Bobcats.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 10:04 AM
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The apologists in this thread are depressing. No, fighting is not even close to worse. Fighting is a poor reflection on an individual's ability to control his emotions during an emotional game. Spewing racist garbage is an attack on an entire group based on nothing more than skin color or ethnicity. It's pretty simple. The Southern Miss band members were representing their university. On the basis of an opposing player's racial appearance, they were saying he didn't belong, was deserving of scrutiny and derision, and was somehow less of a person than the other players on the floor. If respecting one's opponents and being a decent human being at a sporting event means a "PC circus," that's pretty sad.
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