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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:38 PM
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El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
Guys, we were right the all night. We had a chance to win in the sweet 16 VS the 1 seed. Its all we ever wanted. I don't know about all of you, but I am so proud of our team.


+1000

I don't know why people are saying "When X did Y is cost us the game". EVERYONE of our guys played out of their minds and out of their bodies tonight! Yes, DJ might have shot his best game from the floor, walt might have missed 1 (that right, ONLY 1) free-throw tonight, Ivo's pull-ups might not have been falling, but COME ON, if we're missing ANY of these guys tonight we lose IN REGULATION by 20.
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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:40 PM
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Uh. I think you want Cooper going to the basket against a an immobile, stiff center 100 out of 100 times. It just didn't play out well. Maybe there was a foul, maybe there wasn't. But Ohio had chances.

And it was the best decision available to him.

If he had a trailer, it would've been perfect. He didn't.
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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:41 PM
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Biggest play of the game by far was when we were up 57-54 and Barnes misses the free throw, Zeller taps back the rebound and then Barnes canned the three immediately following. That was an absolute backbreaker. We had all of the momentum and UNC was totally back on their heels, no pun intended.

I really need to hear from someone who was at the game what the crowd was like. I was in a bar and didn't get to hear the roars. I would imagine those Kansas and NC State fans were all joining in on the OU party.
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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:43 PM
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Very disappointed.  Just as I was when Ohio had a chance against the football Buckeyes in 2008 except that was a whole quarter to play, tonight it was just a few moments.  You may never have another chance at the 8, you MUST win when the opportunity presents itself.  NC State takes out Kansas and it was possible to make it to the final four.  It was an outstanding run and I'm pleased we made it this far but it was there to take, up four with the ball......

Glad to be a Bobcat
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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:48 PM
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Uh, I'm as big a fan as anyone, and my heart is as broken as ever. But folks, the players read this board. So think twice before casting any blame for ANY play.

Our Little Engine That Could just came within a point (in regulation) of beating a NO. 1 SEED. Sure, there were big plays, but please don't turn anything into a blame game.

We don't even make it to the CLEVELAND portion of the conference tournament without Cooper's killer instinct... without Walt's huge heart... without everyone's contributions. Let alone making it into the Big Dance... let alone the Sweet 16 ... let alone coming within a heartbeat of the upset of the (admittedly young) century.

Every player bought in and gave every bit of heart he had. We all wish every shot went in... but North Carolina made big plays and won the game.

PLEASE consider the feelings of these players who just left every bit of themselves on that court. I am damn, damn proud of their effort. Though I hurt tonight, I have never, EVER been prouder to be an Ohio Bobcat!

Love you, boys!!
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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:49 PM
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Uh, I'm as big a fan as anyone, and my heart is as broken as ever. But folks, the players read this board. So think twice before casting any blame for ANY play.

Our Little Engine That Could just came within a point (in regulation) of beating a NO. 1 SEED. Sure, there were big plays, but please don't turn anything into a blame game.

We don't even make it to the CLEVELAND portion of the conference tournament without Cooper's killer instinct... without Walt's huge heart... without everyone's contributions. Let alone making it into the Big Dance... let alone the Sweet 16 ... let alone coming within a heartbeat of the upset of the (admittedly young) century.

Every player bought in and gave every bit of heart he had. We all wish every shot went in... but North Carolina made big plays and won the game.

PLEASE consider the feelings of these players who just left every bit of themselves on that court. I am damn, damn proud of their effort. Though I hurt tonight, I have never, EVER been prouder to be an Ohio Bobcat!

Love you, boys!!


+1
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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:51 PM
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I'm going to pick out an odd play, because it didn't keep Ohio from getting all the way back in it, but there was a play midway through the game where Ohio was down four and Cooper found Smith under the basket for a seemingly wide open dunk. UNC recovered, blocked it and Ohio went back down by about 10 before coming back.


     If memory serves me and I'm thinking of the same sequence you are: Ohio 3 to start second half pulled Ohio w/in 4. Had chance to cut it to two on play mentioned above. This possession was followed by two straight Ohio turnovers and the 4-pt deficit and momentum Ohio became 10-pt deficit and momentum NC.
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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:51 PM
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No disagreement, Lovebobcat.

But those guys just stood toe-to-toe with the UNC Tar Heels. They know 100 times more basketball than any one of us. They know what went well and what didn't.

I hope they don't pay attention or put much credence to what a bunch of nerds like me say about them on an internet message board.
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Posted: 3/23/2012 11:55 PM
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Disagree strongly.  He had to beat a player that was fully prepared for him.  Momentum moving to the basket -- you control your momentum and develop the floor with your players as a point guard.  Unless you know you have the decided advantage.  He did not.  He tried beating these guys one on one all night.  It was a good play not a great play by the UNC man.  He had proper position and a height advantage.  We had a four point lead.  Clock awareness is critical at that juncture.  This was not hindsight - I would tell him unless you have a clear path or a decided advantage which he did not have - you pull back work the clock and the floor.  This is what point guards do.  What happened was a momentum killer.  The flow of the game changed dramatically.  We hung in there becaus we had heart.  I am not blaming the loss on any one player. But I am not going to sugar coat  my opinion. The query was what was the most important play in the game.  That, in my view is the one, and as you can tell from the second post above, the equally big play is the one in which I believe there were two fouls on Coop by Zeller.     


You don't have to sugarcoat it, but I wanted to point out that I think you were wrong in the evaluation of that play. It was a great steal by Coop, and I think it was the right play to take it to the basket. The UNC guy made a great play, I am not going to sugarcoat my opinion on that.
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Posted: 3/24/2012 12:01 AM
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Posted: 3/24/2012 12:02 AM
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Disagree strongly.  He had to beat a player that was fully prepared for him.  Momentum moving to the basket -- you control your momentum and develop the floor with your players as a point guard.  Unless you know you have the decided advantage.  He did not.  He tried beating these guys one on one all night.  It was a good play not a great play by the UNC man.  He had proper position and a height advantage.  We had a four point lead.  Clock awareness is critical at that juncture.  This was not hindsight - I would tell him unless you have a clear path or a decided advantage which he did not have - you pull back work the clock and the floor.  This is what point guards do.  What happened was a momentum killer.  The flow of the game changed dramatically.  We hung in there becaus we had heart.  I am not blaming the loss on any one player. But I am not going to sugar coat  my opinion. The query was what was the most important play in the game.  That, in my view is the one, and as you can tell from the second post above, the equally big play is the one in which I believe there were two fouls on Coop by Zeller.     


I think we should all stop and be damn glad DJ Cooper is playing basketball for Ohio University. Without his assassin's attitude, we don't even finish in the top half of the MAC East. He was going for the jugular there.

DJ had the fast break and went for it. I say take that shot every time. We're not still watching basketball in late March without DJ, who's only one of the top two or three players ever to put on an Ohio uniform...
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Posted: 3/24/2012 12:36 AM
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lovebobcat wrote:expand_more
Uh, I'm as big a fan as anyone, and my heart is as broken as ever. But folks, the players read this board. So think twice before casting any blame for ANY play.

Our Little Engine That Could just came within a point (in regulation) of beating a NO. 1 SEED. Sure, there were big plays, but please don't turn anything into a blame game.

We don't even make it to the CLEVELAND portion of the conference tournament without Cooper's killer instinct... without Walt's huge heart... without everyone's contributions. Let alone making it into the Big Dance... let alone the Sweet 16 ... let alone coming within a heartbeat of the upset of the (admittedly young) century.

Every player bought in and gave every bit of heart he had. We all wish every shot went in... but North Carolina made big plays and won the game.

PLEASE consider the feelings of these players who just left every bit of themselves on that court. I am damn, damn proud of their effort. Though I hurt tonight, I have never, EVER been prouder to be an Ohio Bobcat!

Love you, boys!!

+1
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Posted: 3/24/2012 12:42 AM
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Hope Walt doesn't beat himself up for the free throw. We aren't even in the game without him.
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Posted: 3/24/2012 12:47 AM
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Disagree strongly.  He had to beat a player that was fully prepared for him.  Momentum moving to the basket -- you control your momentum and develop the floor with your players as a point guard.  Unless you know you have the decided advantage.  He did not.  He tried beating these guys one on one all night.  It was a good play not a great play by the UNC man.  He had proper position and a height advantage.  We had a four point lead.  Clock awareness is critical at that juncture.  This was not hindsight - I would tell him unless you have a clear path or a decided advantage which he did not have - you pull back work the clock and the floor.  This is what point guards do.  What happened was a momentum killer.  The flow of the game changed dramatically.  We hung in there becaus we had heart.  I am not blaming the loss on any one player. But I am not going to sugar coat  my opinion. The query was what was the most important play in the game.  That, in my view is the one, and as you can tell from the second post above, the equally big play is the one in which I believe there were two fouls on Coop by Zeller.     


I think we should all stop and be damn glad DJ Cooper is playing basketball for Ohio University. Without his assassin's attitude, we don't even finish in the top half of the MAC East. He was going for the jugular there.

DJ had the fast break and went for it. I say take that shot every time. We're not still watching basketball in late March without DJ, who's only one of the top two or three players ever to put on an Ohio uniform...


Folks, coaches do not hold back teaching wise choices because their player is a star.  They coach him and he learns.  Assasins pick their quarry carefully and with deliberation, knowing their enemy.  An assasin knows when to attack and when to retreat.  An assasin knows when he has a kill.   The pot stirrer knows how to stir a pot with a question.  But if you are objective, a great point guard assasin, knows when he does not have a decided advantage and in the last couple of minutes uses his judgment to execute the kill.  It was the wrong time to drive in with no numbers advantage and no player advantage, a four point lead, and time dwindling. You pull the ball back.  Elementary end of game strategy.   You say that you have DJ take that shot every time, and you would be wrong everry time  It is not a fast break when you are all by yourself with no numbers.  Everyone knows we are not there without Coop. Nor could we have done it without Baltic, nor without Smith, or the others.  I think Coop is a great.  He is not perfect, no one is.  He sometimes has gotten into a rut where he wants or beieves he has to do it all by himself.  I believe that occured in the middle of the season for a while, and then he and the team got to the next level and distributed the ball widely, developed the floor, and were awesome.  This happened with Akron in Athens and all through the MAC tournament, and to the Sweet Sixteen.  He can be a truly great point guard. He was not great point guard tonight.   He was great during the first two rounds and in the MAC tourney.  No one player or play lose a game, but, as far a critical game moments, this was clearly one of them.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 1:54 AM
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The tip-back play was part of a FOUR pointer.  I think that we were leading 58-54.  We fouled them, two shots.  Made the first three throw.  Missed the second but their guy tipped it back/rebound for them, after which they hit a 3-pointer to make it 58-58.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 11:12 AM
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There were a lot of big plays. I don't think there was one bigger than the other. Any single point could have changed things. And of course, if one thing changes, that could change the game entirely. You just never know.

As for D.J.'s steal, it was the right move to take the ball to the hoop. I'd say he had an 80 percent chance or better  of something good happening, either scoring or drawing a foul (or both). With three minutes left, you can't pass on a scoring opportunity that good. It just didn't work out. And the fact that it didn't probably didn't change the game. North Carolina still had plenty of time to tie the game.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 1:00 PM
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In a game this close, Pataskala is right there are too many plays that "coulda been".  But, I agree about Coop's decision to go to the hoop when up 4 with a couple of minutes left.  He did not recognize the situation.  Two other times in the second half he went to the hoop with the "little" frosh guarding him and got the +1, I think.  In this situation, the big guy was back and he should have pulled it out.  That is the thing about Coop.  You live and die by the good and bad.  And there was much more of the good this year. 

Having said this, there were probably 15 occasions where we could have got one more bucket or stopped them.

Another big killer for me was their rebounding of missed free throws.  Looked like they bodied us under the bucket and tipped the ball back toward the shooter.  I counted 6 of those and i know they scored on one otr two.

Unfortunate to have been so close and not close the deal but as the song says, "Life goes on..."

Stand Up and Cheer!
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