Just to rattle off 15 or so programs before I'd even start thinking about Illinois...
-Duke
-UNC
-Kansas
-Kentucky
-Syracuse
-Ohio State
-Michigan State
-UCLA
-UConn
-Louisville
-Arizona
-Indiana
-Florida
-Wisconsin
-NC State/Wake Forest/Marquette/Memphis/Gonzaga/Xavier/Purdue............I could probably go on...
The problem with the list is you are just focusing on the last 5 or so years, which is why Weber is fired. Wisconsin is not even close historically. Gonzaga? They have 1 Elite 8 in their entire history. Purdue? A total of zero final fours in history. Wake? One final four in history. I will even give you that entire list right down to Florida. That still puts IL top 15.
Unsolicited Illinois rant (it's a Chicago thing...I must challenge legitimacy when I read it!)
You see...this is the Illini problem. Every time you guys meet somebody new, you throw out that winning percentage list. Many are shocked...being shocked isn't a good thing. It's not like you're Kansas or UNC and we expect to hear they're on the top 15 list.
Outside of that run at the beginning of the 2000s with the final four visit and then 88-89, you have been marked by streaks of greatness and then just deplorable-average basketball. You're going to sit here and tell me that you're great when you spent upwards of 30 years (1950-1980 approx.) getting 1 elite 8 appearance? Or the early 80s where you hired Lou Hensen and allowed him to build that team to 88-89...and then have it fall apart in 1-2 years? Really?
Literally...you go 10 year stretches where that program does nothing but finish middle of the pack in the Big Ten. Every other Big Ten fan base knows it...and are frustrated that you don't accept it. Look at the Big Ten Final Four teams since 1985. You better be on that list because half of them have been there (MSU, Michigan, OSU, Wisc., Indiana, Purdue). If you're not on that list...you're Minnesota.
The saddest thing is that you still believe that you guys can control Chicago. What? I would give Marquette a better shot at controlling Chicago than you guys....hell...if DePaul ever figured out a Lincoln Park arena...you would be desperate for scraps, but DePaul is stoopid.
When Bill Self left, many Illini fans were shocked. I wasn't...and neither were most people outside of U of I. Bill Self saw Kansas. You want to know where you stand...people leave Ohio to go to Illinois. But you guys don't understand that if Groce is successful, he moves on to someplace else.
Enjoy your run...final four by my calculations will come by 2020...Groce is gone in 2021. Enjoy it while you can. <jk>
Last Edited: 3/29/2012 12:05:54 AM by medler