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Ohio69
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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:25 PM
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My proposal is this.  Student Athletes can request that the sit-out-one-year requirement be waived by a university and that a committee of 5 including 3 tenured faculty members reviews and by majority vote decides if sitting out the year will be waived.  A decision must be made within 30 days of subission by the student athlete or the sit-out-the-year thing is automatically waived.  The student athlete can make the request at any time.  The student athlete can start playing with the new school (with scholarship) at the beginning of the following season.  Where the student wants to go (in our out of conference) doesn't matter.

Also, I'm so sick of the NCAA that I really want some Senator or Congressman to just start pushing laws on this stuff.  If your institution receives any federal funding, then this (stuff like the above) must be in place regarding athletics.  (Yes, the NCAA is so bad that I'm thinking Congress of all places could do better.  Uhg.)

Am I nuts?



 
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Posted: 4/30/2012 9:51 PM
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If there's one group that can screw up college athletics more than the NCAA, it's congress.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 10:54 PM
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Well, the NCAA is a creation of Congress and President Teddy Roosevelt.  That means two of our most esteemed institutions are at fault. Now, if only the Supreme Court could claim some credit for the NCAA we'd have a perfect trifecta of incompetence. 

[That being said, we still have the best government "of the earth."] 
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Posted: 5/1/2012 8:04 AM
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69: What criteria would the committee use to make a decision?
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Posted: 5/1/2012 9:03 AM
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^ That's what I'm wondering too.

And why 3 tenured faculty? Not sure I want tenured faculty making decisions on athletes since many of them are notoriously anti-athletic.
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I threw the three tenured faculty in there because I want Phil Martelli and Bo Ryan and their evil brethren to be out-voted.

Criteria:  If the student-athlete is considered to be in good standing with the university then the 1 year rule should be waived.  Good standing = no student code of conduce issues and academically eligible to play at the time the transfer request was submitted.  If those two parameters are met, the one-year thing is automatically granted.  If not, it goes to a vote by the committee.

Also, every university will hand every recruit offered a scholarship (and obtain acknowledgement of receipt) a list of all transfer requests within the last 5 years and the decision made by the committee.

Right now, I care not about any tampering and mayhem this could cause.  I have no sympathy for coaches/programs/universities.

I'll throw some gas on the fire and say that an unintended consequence of the NCAA's current transfer rules is that they discriminate against minorities.


 


 

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Posted: 5/1/2012 9:36 AM
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Ohio69 wrote:expand_more


I threw the three tenured faculty in there because I want Phil Martelli and Bo Ryan and their evil brethren to be out-voted.

Criteria:  If the student-athlete is considered to be in good standing with the university then the 1 year rule should be waived.  Good standing = no student code of conduce issues and academically eligible to play at the time the transfer request was submitted.  If those two parameters are met, the one-year thing is automatically granted.  If not, it goes to a vote by the committee.

Also, every university will hand every recruit offered a scholarship (and obtain acknowledgement of receipt) a list of all transfer requests within the last 5 years and the decision made by the committee.

Right now, I care not about any tampering and mayhem this could cause.  I have no sympathy for coaches/programs/universities.

I'll throw some gas on the fire and say that an unintended consequence of the NCAA's current transfer rules is that they discriminate against minorities.



Well if you're going to go this route, then the academic requirement should be stricter: Good academic standing = no student code of conduct/judicary issues (I don't really care about this point); academically eligible to play, AND ON COURSE FOR on-time (i.e. 4-year) graduation in the student's declared major.
 

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Posted: 5/1/2012 10:34 AM
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Ohio69 wrote:expand_more


I threw the three tenured faculty in there because I want Phil Martelli and Bo Ryan and their evil brethren to be out-voted.

Criteria:  If the student-athlete is considered to be in good standing with the university then the 1 year rule should be waived.  Good standing = no student code of conduce issues and academically eligible to play at the time the transfer request was submitted.  If those two parameters are met, the one-year thing is automatically granted.  If not, it goes to a vote by the committee.

Also, every university will hand every recruit offered a scholarship (and obtain acknowledgement of receipt) a list of all transfer requests within the last 5 years and the decision made by the committee.

Right now, I care not about any tampering and mayhem this could cause.  I have no sympathy for coaches/programs/universities.

I'll throw some gas on the fire and say that an unintended consequence of the NCAA's current transfer rules is that they discriminate against minorities.


 


 



To me this approach could lead to intercollegiate free agancy.
I'd like to see the NCAA develop a list of circumstances ,such as a coach leaving a program,where the 1 year rule would not apply.
This would also make universities more careful in writing/enforcing coaching contracrs.

While we're at it, I'd also like to see something done to tighten the rules on "one and dones".You've got schools like Kentucky that have made this into  an art form.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 11:15 AM
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69:  I think youre underestimating the "mayhem" that would result from your proposal.  The unscrupulous would prey on schools doing things the right way and there would be constant recruiting of a school's players. 

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For MF279801:  Change the 4 years to 5 years and I'll agree.

Jeff:  I'm ignoring the mayhem right now.  Ohio would suffer.  I could definitely see a BCS school calling up DJ Cooper and inviting him to transfer and start his senior year.  That would suck.  Someone will come up with a good idea to prevent it.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 1:44 PM
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For MF279801:  Change the 4 years to 5 years and I'll agree.


Why? 90% of undergraduate majors can be completed in 4 years, and that should be the goal. That’s why athletes only get 4 years of eligibility, redshirt years notwithstanding. If you want the privilege of transferring without penalty, you’ve got to demonstrate that you are working toward completion of your degree. That will lessen the academic cost of transferring, in terms of lost time or class requirements that differ between institutions A and B.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 5:35 PM
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Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more

69:  I think youre underestimating the "mayhem" that would result from your proposal.  The unscrupulous would prey on schools doing things the right way and there would be constant recruiting of a school's players. 



I agree. This would be an absolute cluster****.  Vote no to Proposition 69.
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For MF279801:  Change the 4 years to 5 years and I'll agree.
Why? 90% of undergraduate majors can be completed in 4 years, and that should be the goal. That’s why athletes only get 4 years of eligibility, redshirt years notwithstanding. If you want the privilege of transferring without penalty, you’ve got to demonstrate that you are working toward completion of your degree. That will lessen the academic cost of transferring, in terms of lost time or class requirements that differ between institutions A and B.


Actually there is a growing body of evidence that there are many barriers to all students being able to get their classes and sections in order to complete those degrees in 4 years. OTOH, within the NCAA member schools there is an equally compelling body of evidence that athletes actually complete their degrees in 4 years in a higher percentage than the rest of the student body at large. TO be completely forthcoming MOST athletes are on campus for summer sessions to be able to squeeze it in on time.....

Not intending  to throw gas on the fire of discussion but the number you threw out is a relevant discussion here in Indiana's state schools as it ties to our 4 year institutions and the financial constraints placed on those students who have to take a 5th year because of inabilities to get classes in the order they need them......I can t speak for OHIO and their state universities but the data here is no where close to 90 percent and IIRC was closer to 60 ......
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Posted: 5/2/2012 8:33 AM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
For MF279801:  Change the 4 years to 5 years and I'll agree.
Why? 90% of undergraduate majors can be completed in 4 years, and that should be the goal. That’s why athletes only get 4 years of eligibility, redshirt years notwithstanding. If you want the privilege of transferring without penalty, you’ve got to demonstrate that you are working toward completion of your degree. That will lessen the academic cost of transferring, in terms of lost time or class requirements that differ between institutions A and B.


Actually there is a growing body of evidence that there are many barriers to all students being able to get their classes and sections in order to complete those degrees in 4 years. OTOH, within the NCAA member schools there is an equally compelling body of evidence that athletes actually complete their degrees in 4 years in a higher percentage than the rest of the student body at large. TO be completely forthcoming MOST athletes are on campus for summer sessions to be able to squeeze it in on time.....

Not intending  to throw gas on the fire of discussion but the number you threw out is a relevant discussion here in Indiana's state schools as it ties to our 4 year institutions and the financial constraints placed on those students who have to take a 5th year because of inabilities to get classes in the order they need them......I can t speak for OHIO and their state universities but the data here is no where close to 90 percent and IIRC was closer to 60 ......


Fair point. But, that should still be the goal, particularily if a student is looking to transfer (which will as likely as not put them behind relative to where they'd be if they didn't transfer). We are talking about issuing special waivers of transfer penalties here, I don't think it unreasonable that the students requesting them meet a certain expectation that they will still be able to complete their degrees before their scholarships run out.
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