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Deciduous Forest Cat
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Posted: 5/3/2012 6:28 PM
he's already married. life has moved on.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 7:25 PM
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Who's to say he can't be redshirted next year? Then he provides some much-needed maturity and experience for two years AFTER much of the team graduates next year.


Why would you want to?  If reports are correct he brings a skillset that we need.


Also, if you redshirt him next year, that means he's 25 before he starts playing his junior season with us. I know we want to be successful long term and everything, but think to age 25/26...i know i wouldn't want to be playing undergrad ball with 18-21 year olds. I would feel old, and I would feel like I would need to move on with life. We don't want that attitude on the team. But since he's 23 now, he's still got a little bit of spunk in his step...

of course this is all speculation, just my own personal opinion. Still, like OUVan said, it sounds like he has a skillset that will be a great asset to us, so there's no sense in redshirting him anyways.


see: Weeden, Brandon.
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Posted: 5/5/2012 10:03 AM
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...i know i wouldn't want to be playing undergrad ball with 18-21 year olds. I would feel old, and I would feel like I would need to move on with life. We don't want that attitude on the team.


I agree that he will and should play next year but what you wouldn't want to be doing is irrelevant....you would also probably not want to interrupt your undergrad experience with a 2 year mission. This young man does not operate with the same set of values, timeline and goals as a typical college basketball player.

Not to jump off track and certanily not singling this comment out specifically but as a general observation that it is amusing when folks think how a normal student experience or the norm for what they would have done or thought as opposed to those who live in the world of NCAA hoops.T his kid wants to play, my bet after being in this world is that if he was offered an extra year of school he would jump at the chance irregardless of age. He knows he is not going to the league and even if he were married the free education is too good to pass up.

My big question here is the chemistry. THe reason we made a quantum jump here from the year before is chemistry and maturity. Kids of similar backgrounds with similar values and ethics buying into a single system each understaning his role and contribution to the system and acepting moves made mid season with regard to those roles..  THis years team really got along on and off the court. End of story.
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Posted: 5/5/2012 4:21 PM
Given this kids background and maturity - marriage, etc.  I am more confident in him stepping in and not rocking the boat than a younger, less mature person who may be interested in "fitting right in."  Still waiting to hear of Ivo knows him.  He should - that will help.
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Posted: 5/5/2012 4:31 PM
Borna, you raise a good point about chemistry.  I did hear JC say that his main priority in recruiting was to not bring anyone in who would mess up the chemistry, so I figure the coaches thought this through. 

Also, having people of similar backgrounds helps, but having some diversity also can be a great learning experience as well, as the kids all learn to get along on and off the court even if not all come from the same background. 
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Posted: 5/7/2012 9:37 AM
Another transfer coming in with only 2 years of eligibilty.







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Posted: 5/7/2012 9:40 AM
We still have one scholarship left for next year.  Is that correct? 
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Posted: 5/7/2012 9:43 AM
I think we used it on a Texas Tech PG to take over PG duties after COop leaves. Am i wrong on this?
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Posted: 5/7/2012 10:10 AM
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I think we used it on a Texas Tech PG to take over PG duties after COop leaves. Am i wrong on this?


Even with Willis on board we should still have one more.

1. Cooper
2. Keely 
3. Baltic 
4. Offutt 
5. Kellogg 
6. Hall 
7. Johnson 
8. Smith 
9. Wilkins
10. Taylor 
11. Green 
12. Willis 
13. (open)
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Posted: 5/7/2012 10:52 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I think we used it on a Texas Tech PG to take over PG duties after COop leaves. Am i wrong on this?


Don't know anything about this kid but looking at his numbers doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.   A/TO ratios of less than 1 don't exactly spell a seamless transition to replace Cooper.  Again, I've never seen him play so I'll reserve judgement until I actually see him on the court but he's not exactly a stat sheet stuffer.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:12 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I think we used it on a Texas Tech PG to take over PG duties after COop leaves. Am i wrong on this?


Our recruiting grid is always there to answer this question: http://bobcatattack.com/basketball/recruiting.asp
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Posted: 5/7/2012 12:21 PM
My guess is that the coaching staff thought they needed a second PG in the program along with Stevie Taylor.  I anticipate that their skills will complement each other. 

It's always a good thing to have two PGs who can play.  And like this past season, you can sometimes put both of them on the floor at the same time.  
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Posted: 5/7/2012 12:52 PM

 Agreed Jeff.

That position should now be solidified for the first 2years post-Coop Renaissance Era.  Eventhough I must say, I can not wait to see the type of 4-year starter JC brings in at that and other positions.  I understand the filling of holes, but I'm just very anxious to see what this guy does on the recruiting front at OU... when not playing catch up, if you will.
 

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Posted: 5/7/2012 1:03 PM
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My guess is that the coaching staff thought they needed a second PG in the program along with Stevie Taylor.  I anticipate that their skills will complement each other. 

It's always a good thing to have two PGs who can play.  And like this past season, you can sometimes put both of them on the floor at the same time.  


I'd still rather have a freshman come in (which still may happen) and apprentice for a couple of years much like Stevie is doing right now.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 3:19 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
My guess is that the coaching staff thought they needed a second PG in the program along with Stevie Taylor.  I anticipate that their skills will complement each other. 

It's always a good thing to have two PGs who can play.  And like this past season, you can sometimes put both of them on the floor at the same time.  


I'd still rather have a freshman come in (which still may happen) and apprentice for a couple of years much like Stevie is doing right now.


Me too Van...human nature and chemistry being what it is.....
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Posted: 5/7/2012 5:02 PM
Well, I hope they are able to figure it out and make it work.  
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Posted: 5/9/2012 2:09 AM
This team is being built to make a deep run in the NCAA tournament and deliver a MAC regular season and tournament championship. I agree with going for the win now.  You get back the NCAA tournament and find a way to advance and you then climb the ladder in the recruiting game to where Butler, Xavier, Gonzaga have existed for a while.  This team's mission is to prove it wasn't luck or some fluke we reached the sweet sixteen. You go back to back and all the sudden you change the program's profile.  To reach 3 NCAA's in four years would establish this team as one of the best in MAC history.  That would have a huge effect on recruiting for the next decade.   
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Posted: 5/10/2012 2:33 PM
Methinks we need thumpers to improve our chances. Youthinks, too?
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Posted: 5/11/2012 11:25 PM

Men's Basketball: Bobcats bring in sober shooter as junior-college transfer


Really?  I don't know if this is more demeaning to him or alumni.


I hate to even give a link to the post - what an incredibly poor thought

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/mens-basketball-bobcats-...
Last Edited: 5/11/2012 11:29:26 PM by cc-cat
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Posted: 5/12/2012 12:36 AM
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Men's Basketball: Bobcats bring in sober shooter as junior-college transfer


Really?  I don't know if this is more demeaning to him or alumni.


I hate to even give a link to the post - what an incredibly poor thought

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/mens-basketball-bobcats-...


Agreed. I didn't like the word choice in this passage:

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Because Mormon beliefs prohibit drinking alcohol and other activities, Wilkins’ pious lifestyle might seem to conflict with campus culture,


The word pious has connotations that go beyond merely being religious or devout. There's too much baggage attached to that word to use so cavalierly.
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Posted: 5/12/2012 1:26 AM
The article was decent but I agree that some of the word choice was immature.  "Sober" and "pious" were probably misused.  In the OU student culture, "sober" is almost a pejorative term.  It's almost like the student journalists don't know what to make of someone who isn't a heavy partier.  

OTOH, I thought the article overall was complimentary.  
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Posted: 5/12/2012 3:39 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
The article was decent but I agree that some of the word choice was immature.  "Sober" and "pious" were probably misused.  In the OU student culture, "sober" is almost a pejorative term.  It's almost like the student journalists don't know what to make of someone who isn't a heavy partier.  

OTOH, I thought the article overall was complimentary.  


Lets not forget these "journalists" are 20'ish years old and probably do not understand the nuances of a word like pious. Most likely It was pulled out of a thesaurus. 
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Posted: 5/12/2012 10:07 PM
I thought "sober" and "pious" were properly used in the article.  The first meaning of pious is "devoutly religious," which I think fits.  And, he certainly is always sober.  The article, IMHO, painted a positive picture of this young man.   Now, I had a few beers in my day, and still like an adult beverage every now and then, but I don't have a prejudice against someone who is a teetotaler.  However, the fact that they had to use the word "sober" to distinguish him from the majority of the student population is another matter all together.  I guess I'm reading this in the context "fest season" and unruly student behavior.  I did think that throwing in all the garbage about the #1 party school was a little over the top.  The picture that painted of the campus was kind of one-dimensional. 
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Posted: 5/12/2012 11:37 PM
Points well taken OCF. Making me rethink.
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