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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:40 PM
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Billy Hahn
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:41 PM
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Billy Hahn


+1,000. If we're limiting ourselves to men's basketball...he runs away with it.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:42 PM
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Hocutt?


Whew!! Thanks 695. That's a doozy.

He was out of this Milky Way the worst hire in the history of Ohio Athletics. The WORST with a cherry on top.

Baby he was terrible!


I hate to admit it, but BL is on a roll . . . yes Hocutt was worse than all the others because he didn't just destroy one sport by poor coaching, he nearly destroyed a whole athletic department.  We got rid of him just in the nick of time.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:42 PM
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Honestly, as disappointed and surprised as I am with this start, I'm no where near ready to throw in the towel on this season, this team, or this coach.  My hope was that we'd hit the ground running and ride last years success into a Top 25/At-Large type early season start.  Now that this is water under the bridge, let's spend the season working out the kinks and wake me back up in March.  I still think we'll go into the MAC Tournament with as good of chance as we did last year to come out on top.  Only difference is the ride is going to be a bit more bumpy that anyone had hoped.  In the end, it still could turn out the exact same. 
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:45 PM
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Agreed, CG. You have to remember, this is the same team as last year...for better or worse. These seniors have laid their fair share of eggs along the way. They have also proven that they DO NOT know how to win on the road. Those same bugaboos are getting us this year.

What they've also proven is that they peak at the right time and know how to win in March. Let's hope that trend continues as well. Just enjoy the ride....I promise fun will be had, eventually!
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:45 PM
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Well said ChickenGeorge.

On this day in 2011, we were nowhere close to a Sweet Sixteen team.

How'd that end up working out?
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:48 PM
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Well, there must be something to this Mayan thing: In this thread I find myself agreeing with both BL and Ozcat. 

I'm also in agreement with CG, but that's not all that unusual. 
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:50 PM
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Well said ChickenGeorge.

On this day in 2011, we were nowhere close to a Sweet Sixteen team.

How'd that end up working out?


At this point in 2011 we were 10-1 with our only loss being at Louisville by 5 points. 


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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:52 PM
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At this point in 2011 we were 10-1 with our only loss being at Louisville by 5 points. 


Very true. But rough waters were just ahead. Perhaps we can escape the "early January swoon" that became a Groce trademark.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:00 PM
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Well said ChickenGeorge.

On this day in 2011, we were nowhere close to a Sweet Sixteen team.

How'd that end up working out?


At this point in 2011 we were 10-1 with our only loss being at Louisville by 5 points. 

Right.  With wins over national powerhouses Tennessee-Martin, Arkansas State, Morgan State, and of course, Marietta.

I know our record was nice, but my original point still remains.  We had not beaten anyone of significance, and our road wins were over teams with nowhere near the pedigree of Memphis or UMass.

Stay calm, and Bobcat on.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:04 PM
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Well said ChickenGeorge.

On this day in 2011, we were nowhere close to a Sweet Sixteen team.

How'd that end up working out?


At this point in 2011 we were 10-1 with our only loss being at Louisville by 5 points. 

Right.  With wins over national powerhouses Tennessee-Martin, Arkansas State, Morgan State, and of course, Marietta.

I know our record was nice, but my original point still remains.  We had not beaten anyone of significance, and our road wins were over teams with nowhere near the pedigree of Memphis or UMass.

Stay calm, and Bobcat on.


Convenient cherry-picking. We had 5 true road wins including wins at Oakland, Marshall and Northern Iowa. Add in a home win vs Lamar and that's 4 teams that finished the season with 20+ wins. 
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Convenient cherry-picking. We had 5 true road wins including wins at Oakland, Marshall and Northern Iowa. Add in a home win vs Lamar and that's 4 teams that finished the season with 20+ wins. 

2012 Memphis > 2012 UMass > 2011 Oakland, Marshall and N Iowa.

I understnad our record was better.  But nobody in their mind, at that point in time, went, "Wow, we've beat Marshall by one point and Lamar in OT.  See you in the Sweet Sixteen!"

The loss to Winthrop = bad.  Other than that, most of us predicted losses to 2 of the other 3 losses in our predictions thread.  It's a little early for Chicken Little.
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People seem to forget we didn't win the MAC East last year, but got REALLY hot starting with the Sunday night win against Akron, leading into the MAC tourney, and then a quite possibly once in a lifetime run in the NCAA.   The NCAA run was great, but we beat a young Michigan team that we matched up well against, and then USF, not exactly a world beater.   UNC was without  Kendall Marshall, so no one really knows how much that affected their team play/chemistry that night. 

We have a solid team that may not be playing very well right now, as well as having to make an adjustment to a new coach who seems to have a completely different personality than their previous coach.   Not saying that is good or bad, just different.   They need time to adapt to this new coach, just as any of us would need time to adjust to a new boss.  

In a nutshell, I believe we weren't quite as good as we all thought we were last year, and we aren't quite as bad as some think we are this year.   Time will tell, but last year's team caught fire at the right time and benefited from tremendous match ups in the NCAA.

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Posted: 12/20/2012 12:19 AM
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Trying to find some positives from tonight:

*we showed some fight and didn't lay down as per Memphis. 
*Walt showed glimpses of fire ala late last season, in the 1st half  (BTW, is it just me, or when he misses is it always short/off the front rim and never off the back rim--little more arch please)
*Nice to see Nick get more touches and shot attempts
*Green is more serviceable than we had anticipated.  Initially he was described as a Goard-type that would play 5-10 minutes.  I think he's a bit more than that. Certainly not a game changer, but for a team void of much consistent inside presence, he's another option.  At the very least he knows what his position is, stays in the paint and is athletic enough to pick up a few garbage baskets a game just on being around the glass--something we don't get enough of.

The Not-So-Positive:
*Ivo showed some signs of life in the first half and looked committed to being aggressive.  Regretfully that didn't last and he reverted to another outside shooting option in the 2nd half. 
*We continue to let other players have career nights against us.  I'd have to watch the first half tape again, but I don't believe we committed to sticking Ricardo on him.  These spots are perfect spots for Ricardo to shine as a defensive stopper on perimeter guys who are going off on us.
*We had absolutely zero inside scoring options.  Outside of when Reggie's getting fed inside, zero # of guys who can post up and trying to give you an easy bucket.
*Travis Wilkins is a nice player but is adding nothing. 
*What is TJ's role?
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Posted: 12/20/2012 1:29 AM
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Does anybody remember Groce's record in his first eleven games? Team chemistry? Give the guy a minute or two.
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Does anybody remember Groce's record in his first eleven games? Team chemistry? Give the guy a minute or two.


yeah

chemistry was pretty good. Not a lot of personnel.....c ertainly not the talent presently there
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:43 AM
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We got beat at the foul line. UMass was 23 of 35 and we were 6 of 10. I thought the problem last nite was bad switching and it lead to guys committing fouls by being late to the ball. Also not a big fan of the attempted traps out near mid-court by our bigs against quick good ball handling teams as UMass was. We gave up fouls there and/or got caught way out of position leading to easy UMass baskets.

I know Ivo is getting pounded about his shooting last nite but I don't think that cost us the game. We had other offense to compensate for Ivo's troubles. We didn't excel on the defensive side of the court and put UMass at the foul line and we got pummeled there.
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Hiring JC as head coach has to be hands down the worst hire in OUr history. Sure, we have had bad coaches in the past and we have had let downs from other coaches but think about this... This team has EVERYBODY back from their Sweet 16 team as we all know. No other school in the nation can say that. This team has high expectations, yes, and last year lost to a couple really bad teams, yes, but to see the team not even motivated and the energy level to be below a biddie league team is unreal. JC needs to pick the team up. And yes, Groce and Ford had unbelievable energy but something needs to be done this year. The style, the emotion, the intensity, everything. Memphis is a really good team but we all know OU is way better than that performance. Winthrop? That's flat out horrible. Umass at their place? Well, ok but was up 18-6 and I thought JC finally turned the corner by getting his team pumped up for the game but then give up a 23-1 run. It's hard to go to a game and watch nothing being done and nobody communicating from the coaching staff. We can all play the blame game of this or that or the fans or whatever, but never have I seen such a lack of effort from a coaching staff.



This team finished third in the MAC last year.
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On the bright side, we must have more people following the Bobcats, otherwise  we wouldn't have to endure posts like this one. I am going to be as charitable as possible. However, some of us had to sit through the horror that was the Billy Hahn era. How many teams in MAC history had two future NBA players on the same squad and still finished in the bottom of the MAC? I wasn't in Athens yet for the Dale Bandy era, but I hear that was pretty horrible. Hahn and Bandy followed two of the most successful coaches that not only we have seen, but the MAC has seen.

We have a winning record and weren't blown out by UMass. We defeated the likes of St. Bonaventure and Richmond, two possible NCAA tourney teams. We lost to Winthrop, which considering that Winthrop gave the Buckeyes all they could handle is not as bad as it might seem. Coach Christian may turn out to be a bad hire, I hope not and certainly don't believe this to be true. However, to say a coach is a terrible hire before the MAC season has begun is way over the top. It would be interesting to see what some of us thought last year before we caught our stride. It would really be interesting to see what they thought of Coach Christian when he was taking Kent State teams with little talent and beating us and most others in the conference.
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