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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:15 AM
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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:24 AM
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Love it. Thanks for the link.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:28 AM
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In other news, Akron just threw up a little bit in their mouth.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 4:42 PM
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That was cool.

Note that they showed verrrry little of Kentuck.  Calipari's one and done philosophy is really showing it's big on short-term gain but small on long-term benefit.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 4:49 PM
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Thanks for the link.
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That was cool.

Note that they showed verrrry little of Kentuck.  Calipari's one and done philosophy is really showing it's big on short-term gain but small on long-term benefit.


It is not Calipari's or Kentucky's fault.
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That was cool.

Note that they showed verrrry little of Kentuck.  Calipari's one and done philosophy is really showing it's big on short-term gain but small on long-term benefit.


It is not Calipari's or Kentucky's fault.


I'm sure some of it is his fault. He recruits them, yes?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:39 PM
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That was cool.

Note that they showed verrrry little of Kentuck.  Calipari's one and done philosophy is really showing it's big on short-term gain but small on long-term benefit.


lolwut?

He has been to an Elite 8, Final Four, won a national championship, will make the tourney again this year, and be a top 3 team next year.
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"It's Not Calipari's Fault" is screenprinted on the shirts he and his lawyer have specially made to wear the day the program he exits gets nailed by the NCAA for infractions.
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I'm sure some of it is his fault. He recruits them, yes?


If you see fault in him using the idiotic rule to his advantage by embracing it, then I guess.
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Idiotic rule?
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Idiotic rule?


You like the one-and-done rule?
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Idiotic rule?


You like the one-and-done rule?

I don't see the problem.

It's better than the 18 year old kids declaring for the NBA draft, and then going undrafted.  I have no problem with a kid coming to school for just 1 or 2 years.  We get to watch talented players for a couple years instead of not at all.  Depending on where they go, they get to improve their game and get at least some education should they choose to, AND if they decide they aren't good enough to go in the spot in the draft they want, they can come back for a second year of school. 

If I were a coach, I wouldn't want to have scenarios like John Calipari does.  The continuity problems are showing this year.  I'd want to be sure that a couple of my recruits out of each class would have a chance to stay for three years so that you're able to bring back a few guys that played the previous year in your system.

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Idiotic rule?


You like the one-and-done rule?

I don't see the problem.

It's better than the 18 year old kids declaring for the NBA draft, and then going undrafted.  I have no problem with a kid coming to school for just 1 or 2 years.  We get to watch talented players for a couple years instead of not at all.  Depending on where they go, they get to improve their game and get at least some education should they choose to, AND if they decide they aren't good enough to go in the spot in the draft they want, they can come back for a second year of school. 

If I were a coach, I wouldn't want to have scenarios like John Calipari does.  The continuity problems are showing this year.  I'd want to be sure that a couple of my recruits out of each class would have a chance to stay for three years so that you're able to bring back a few guys that played the previous year in your system.



The problem is that it's artificial age discrimination with zero evidence, backing, or research to support its existence. Indeed, as in-depth studies have proven, athletes who enter the NBA straight out of high school prove no better or worse in the long run career-wise or personal life-wise compared to players who stay one, two, or three years--and even those who graduate with a degree.

There is zero reason for the existence of this age discrimination and if you appreciate freedom you should oppose it.
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I don't see the problem.

It's better than the 18 year old kids declaring for the NBA draft, and then going undrafted.  I have no problem with a kid coming to school for just 1 or 2 years.  We get to watch talented players for a couple years instead of not at all.  Depending on where they go, they get to improve their game and get at least some education should they choose to, AND if they decide they aren't good enough to go in the spot in the draft they want, they can come back for a second year of school. 

If I were a coach, I wouldn't want to have scenarios like John Calipari does.  The continuity problems are showing this year.  I'd want to be sure that a couple of my recruits out of each class would have a chance to stay for three years so that you're able to bring back a few guys that played the previous year in your system.



I don't see how you can say an 18 year old declaring is bad, but a 19-20 year old doing the same thing is perfectly fine. That makes no sense. Mediocre NCAA players declare themselves for the NBA all the time and scouts have barely even heard of them.

As for Calipari, he won a title with one of the most dominant teams in recent memory 10 months ago. Look at his track record at Kentucky and his tournament results seem pretty consistent to me. Sure, he's doing it unconventionally, but he himself has said he does not care for the one-and-done rule.
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Idiotic rule?


You like the one-and-done rule?

I don't see the problem.

It's better than the 18 year old kids declaring for the NBA draft, and then going undrafted.  I have no problem with a kid coming to school for just 1 or 2 years.  We get to watch talented players for a couple years instead of not at all.  Depending on where they go, they get to improve their game and get at least some education should they choose to, AND if they decide they aren't good enough to go in the spot in the draft they want, they can come back for a second year of school. 

If I were a coach, I wouldn't want to have scenarios like John Calipari does.  The continuity problems are showing this year.  I'd want to be sure that a couple of my recruits out of each class would have a chance to stay for three years so that you're able to bring back a few guys that played the previous year in your system.



The problem is that it's artificial age discrimination with zero evidence, backing, or research to support its existence. Indeed, as in-depth studies have proven, athletes who enter the NBA straight out of high school prove no better or worse in the long run career-wise or personal life-wise compared to players who stay one, two, or three years--and even those who graduate with a degree.

There is zero reason for the existence of this age discrimination and if you appreciate freedom you should oppose it.

Should this, then, also apply to college football and the NFL?

I'm not disputing the discrimination or not.  I'm simply saying I feel like there are kids who benefit from a year or two of college to get stronger, grow up a little, and improve their game that otherwise would go pro at 18.  I don't have data to support it, it's just my feeling and opinion on the matter.  

In another sport that I spend gross amounts of time watching - soccer - age is obviously a non-issue with 16 and 17 year olds going pro at the highest levels.  So I suppose using that as an example, I can see the argument for no age limitations.  Perhaps the next NBA bargaining agreement will change the situation.

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Jon Scheyer would make an appearance in that video.
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That was cool.

Note that they showed verrrry little of Kentuck.  Calipari's one and done philosophy is really showing it's big on short-term gain but small on long-term benefit.


lolwut?

He has been to an Elite 8, Final Four, won a national championship, will make the tourney again this year, and be a top 3 team next year.


They'll have to hustle this month to have a chance at making the field.  44 RPI puts them on the bubble, even as defending national champs.  They'll need to get at least to the SEC tourney final to get in.  And they're not even close to top 25 in either poll (Belmont has more votes in the coaches poll!).  Don't even think about next year yet.  Wait to see how many of his "student athletes" jump to the NBA.
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Don't even think about next year yet.  Wait to see how many of his "student athletes" jump to the NBA.


First, I think he's pretty much not even considering the freshmen this year. He is looking at the stars coming in next year. If they somehow land Andrew Wiggins as well, it will be scary.

As for the way you say "student athletes," which is more fitting for that way of saying that?

This:

http://www.kentucky.com/2012/05/25/2201133/uk-mens-basket...

or this:

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/06180...

I realize that the Ohio article is a bit old, but bragging about the team's 2.63 GPA puts things in perspective. As for Kentucky, outside of DeMarcus Cousins, the guys Calipari is bringing in are quality guys. Brandon Knight arrived on campus after achieving a 4.28 GPA in high school, but I guess he fits the narrative because he played one season. Just because they are great at basketball and spending one season in college don't meant they are thugs who rarely do the student part. Pitino and Smith recruited just as many or more of those types.

You can dislike Calipari for his actions in the past, you can dislike Kentucky basketball for their actions in the past, and you can certainly dislike the NCAA and NBA with some of their rules regarding underclassmen. However, blanket comments on the current state of the program are lazy.
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That was cool.

Note that they showed verrrry little of Kentuck.  Calipari's one and done philosophy is really showing it's big on short-term gain but small on long-term benefit.


lolwut?

He has been to an Elite 8, Final Four, won a national championship, will make the tourney again this year, and be a top 3 team next year.


They'll have to hustle this month to have a chance at making the field.  44 RPI puts them on the bubble, even as defending national champs.  They'll need to get at least to the SEC tourney final to get in.  And they're not even close to top 25 in either poll (Belmont has more votes in the coaches poll!).  Don't even think about next year yet.  Wait to see how many of his "student athletes" jump to the NBA.



With how weak the SEC, they won't have a problem making it.


And everybody can leave if they want, they are bringing in 5 of the top 20 prospects and possibly #1 Andrew Wiggins. I'll think about next year all I want and they will be freaking good again.
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