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Posted: 5/1/2023 8:25 AM
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Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
I think we were (maybe still are) banking on Foster. Although, that seems less likely with each passing day. FWIW; I noticed Boals started following the WVU C who recently entered the portal. Seems like the search continues. Nice thing is; there are still plenty of bigs still available and entering the portal.

Edit: As it relates to Foster — a lot of Illinois State players and coaches follow him/vice versa. Even offfical Illinois State hoops page. This ship has probably sailed.
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Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
Is it just me or does it feel like the rest of the conference is getting bigger while we're going small?
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Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
Is it just me or does it feel like the rest of the conference is getting bigger while we're going small?
I don't mind going smaller as long as we accentuate the strengths of going small and stay away from the weaknesses. Put shooters on the floor, get up a lot of shots, force turnovers, etc. It's not like our teams or Buffalo's teams or the Wally-led Miami team that won in the NCAA Tournament featured great post players. FDU just beat a one seed with a 7-4 starter without playing anyone taller than 6'6''. That Creighton team that beat us had a 6'7'' "center".
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Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
Is it just me or does it feel like the rest of the conference is getting bigger while we're going small?
I don't mind going smaller as long as we accentuate the strengths of going small and stay away from the weaknesses. Put shooters on the floor, get up a lot of shots, force turnovers, etc. It's not like our teams or Buffalo's teams or the Wally-led Miami team that won in the NCAA Tournament featured great post players. FDU just beat a one seed with a 7-4 starter without playing anyone taller than 6'6''. That Creighton team that beat us had a 6'7'' "center".
I would go so far as to say that in the entire time I've followed OU (01' to present) we've never really had a traditional big. Unless I'm missing someone, who is a true 7 footer that was a big contributor?

We always had "bigs" -- sort of moneyball types who didn't have the length and size to get big program attention. Guys like Tillman, Brandon Hunter, Leon Williams, and Reggie Keeley. I don't think prototypical bigs end up at our level all that often, and playing smaller is the way to go.

What we're missing, it seems, is length and athleticism. Our best teams had more of it. I'd do anything to always have a DeVaughn Washington type who is long and switchable, can play big in small lineups and smaller in big lineups.
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We're DESPERATELY in need of size.

Clayton is your 5 man.

Who starts at the 4? Hadaway? AJB? It doesn't feel right moving our #1 scoring option to 4, bc he's over 6'3". Ike because he's 6'6"... he's also a SG.

Below is last years minutes, I just added new names where I think they might fall using last year as a baseline. We need Foster in the worst way.

Plenty of ball and minutes to go around, but when you look at it like this... yuck... we will be leaning on Hadaway and Wiz to play big minutes.


Hunter - 29.3 (Hunter)
AJB - 28.9 (Miles)
Elmore - 25.3 (DW3)
Clayton - 20.8 (AJB)
Ike - 19.9 (Rod)
Miles - 19.4 (Clayton)
Reef - 19.2 (Baker)
Wiz - 15.6 (Elmore)
Hadaway - 13.2 (Wiz)
_______ 8.4 (Sheldon)
_______ 7.1 (Hadaway)
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
Is it just me or does it feel like the rest of the conference is getting bigger while we're going small?
I don't mind going smaller as long as we accentuate the strengths of going small and stay away from the weaknesses. Put shooters on the floor, get up a lot of shots, force turnovers, etc. It's not like our teams or Buffalo's teams or the Wally-led Miami team that won in the NCAA Tournament featured great post players. FDU just beat a one seed with a 7-4 starter without playing anyone taller than 6'6''. That Creighton team that beat us had a 6'7'' "center".
I would go so far as to say that in the entire time I've followed OU (01' to present) we've never really had a traditional big. Unless I'm missing someone, who is a true 7 footer that was a big contributor?

We always had "bigs" -- sort of moneyball types who didn't have the length and size to get big program attention. Guys like Tillman, Brandon Hunter, Leon Williams, and Reggie Keeley. I don't think prototypical bigs end up at our level all that often, and playing smaller is the way to go.

What we're missing, it seems, is length and athleticism. Our best teams had more of it. I'd do anything to always have a DeVaughn Washington type who is long and switchable, can play big in small lineups and smaller in big lineups.
Before your time but the last big (7’2”) traditional center who played a significant role was Jason Terry in my opinion. Solids points and rebound numbers and a true shot blocker (85 his sophomore year. I didn’t look further). Very underrated historically by Bobcats faithful and almost forgotten. Played with Trent, Boals, Geno and the rest of the gang.
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Big fan of Jason Terry.

However, no one has ever explained to me why coach Hunter never put our 7-2 center on the low block when an opposing player was shooting foul shots. Instead, he had Terry line up closer to the shooter while two teammates lined up on the low blocks. One, Gary Trent, I understood. Not so much the other one.
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CatsUp wrote:expand_more
Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
Is it just me or does it feel like the rest of the conference is getting bigger while we're going small?
I don't mind going smaller as long as we accentuate the strengths of going small and stay away from the weaknesses. Put shooters on the floor, get up a lot of shots, force turnovers, etc. It's not like our teams or Buffalo's teams or the Wally-led Miami team that won in the NCAA Tournament featured great post players. FDU just beat a one seed with a 7-4 starter without playing anyone taller than 6'6''. That Creighton team that beat us had a 6'7'' "center".
I would go so far as to say that in the entire time I've followed OU (01' to present) we've never really had a traditional big. Unless I'm missing someone, who is a true 7 footer that was a big contributor?

We always had "bigs" -- sort of moneyball types who didn't have the length and size to get big program attention. Guys like Tillman, Brandon Hunter, Leon Williams, and Reggie Keeley. I don't think prototypical bigs end up at our level all that often, and playing smaller is the way to go.

What we're missing, it seems, is length and athleticism. Our best teams had more of it. I'd do anything to always have a DeVaughn Washington type who is long and switchable, can play big in small lineups and smaller in big lineups.
Before your time but the last big (7’2”) traditional center who played a significant role was Jason Terry in my opinion. Solids points and rebound numbers and a true shot blocker (85 his sophomore year. I didn’t look further). Very underrated historically by Bobcats faithful and almost forgotten. Played with Trent, Boals, Geno and the rest of the gang.
Oh, if someone only could have straightened out Jason Terry's footwork. What a manster he then could have been on the low blocks and there's no telling how far that team could have gone. I drove from NY to Washington for our NCAA game against Bob Knight's Indiana Hoosiers. We were right there at halftime. Then I recall their 6-9 big Alan Henderson put on a clinic in the second half and away we went. This is not meant to be an indictment of Terry by any means, as he was who he was. Just saying, if he had or could have developed better footwork...
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Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
Is it just me or does it feel like the rest of the conference is getting bigger while we're going small?
I don't mind going smaller as long as we accentuate the strengths of going small and stay away from the weaknesses. Put shooters on the floor, get up a lot of shots, force turnovers, etc. It's not like our teams or Buffalo's teams or the Wally-led Miami team that won in the NCAA Tournament featured great post players. FDU just beat a one seed with a 7-4 starter without playing anyone taller than 6'6''. That Creighton team that beat us had a 6'7'' "center".
I would go so far as to say that in the entire time I've followed OU (01' to present) we've never really had a traditional big. Unless I'm missing someone, who is a true 7 footer that was a big contributor?

We always had "bigs" -- sort of moneyball types who didn't have the length and size to get big program attention. Guys like Tillman, Brandon Hunter, Leon Williams, and Reggie Keeley. I don't think prototypical bigs end up at our level all that often, and playing smaller is the way to go.

What we're missing, it seems, is length and athleticism. Our best teams had more of it. I'd do anything to always have a DeVaughn Washington type who is long and switchable, can play big in small lineups and smaller in big lineups.
Before your time but the last big (7’2”) traditional center who played a significant role was Jason Terry in my opinion. Solids points and rebound numbers and a true shot blocker (85 his sophomore year. I didn’t look further). Very underrated historically by Bobcats faithful and almost forgotten. Played with Trent, Boals, Geno and the rest of the gang.
Oh, if someone only could have straightened out Jason Terry's footwork. What a manster he then could have been on the low blocks and there's no telling how far that team could have gone. I drove from NY to Washington for our NCAA game against Bob Knight's Indiana Hoosiers. We were right there at halftime. Then I recall their 6-9 big Alan Henderson put on a clinic in the second half and away we went. This is not meant to be an indictment of Terry by any means, as he was who he was. Just saying, if he had or could have developed better footwork...
I was a senior when that Trent-Terry class were Freshman. As Flash Gary mentioned...Terry had a chance where he should have played a few years in the league. Had the size, but what he didn't have, was the killer instinct. Put Trent's personality into Terry's body and JT would have been an NBA player for a decade. Terry was just too passive. He should have been First-Team All-MAC before he left Ohio, but never was. Larry couldn't get that dawg out of him.
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Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
Is it just me or does it feel like the rest of the conference is getting bigger while we're going small?
I don't mind going smaller as long as we accentuate the strengths of going small and stay away from the weaknesses. Put shooters on the floor, get up a lot of shots, force turnovers, etc. It's not like our teams or Buffalo's teams or the Wally-led Miami team that won in the NCAA Tournament featured great post players. FDU just beat a one seed with a 7-4 starter without playing anyone taller than 6'6''. That Creighton team that beat us had a 6'7'' "center".
I would go so far as to say that in the entire time I've followed OU (01' to present) we've never really had a traditional big. Unless I'm missing someone, who is a true 7 footer that was a big contributor?

We always had "bigs" -- sort of moneyball types who didn't have the length and size to get big program attention. Guys like Tillman, Brandon Hunter, Leon Williams, and Reggie Keeley. I don't think prototypical bigs end up at our level all that often, and playing smaller is the way to go.

What we're missing, it seems, is length and athleticism. Our best teams had more of it. I'd do anything to always have a DeVaughn Washington type who is long and switchable, can play big in small lineups and smaller in big lineups.
Before your time but the last big (7’2”) traditional center who played a significant role was Jason Terry in my opinion. Solids points and rebound numbers and a true shot blocker (85 his sophomore year. I didn’t look further). Very underrated historically by Bobcats faithful and almost forgotten. Played with Trent, Boals, Geno and the rest of the gang.
Oh, if someone only could have straightened out Jason Terry's footwork. What a manster he then could have been on the low blocks and there's no telling how far that team could have gone. I drove from NY to Washington for our NCAA game against Bob Knight's Indiana Hoosiers. We were right there at halftime. Then I recall their 6-9 big Alan Henderson put on a clinic in the second half and away we went. This is not meant to be an indictment of Terry by any means, as he was who he was. Just saying, if he had or could have developed better footwork...
The Indiana game still haunts me. Ohio was a 12 seed that year and we got screwed on the seeding...should have been no worse than a 10. We would have beaten any other 5 seed that year except The General. Knight had 5 days to teach his boys to give Boals the open foul-line jumper and let him beat Indiana...not Trent. Boals went 3-10 from the field and that was the game.
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I know we have Cornish now and SF position covered but D.J Rodman in portal - Know it won't happen now but just imagine if we had Dennis Rodman in the Convo.
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I know we have Cornish now and SF position covered but D.J Rodman in portal - Know it won't happen now but just imagine if we had Dennis Rodman in the Convo.
yeah, and maybe Kim Jong Un could be there too.

rodman's a shi**ead. No need for that kind of attention.
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Posted: 5/2/2023 9:25 AM
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To tie off a loose end, Myles Che to Chattanooga.
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New name — Jay Pal of Campbell. Strong numbers; from Omaha. Would have overlapped with Shereef.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/...

https://twitter.com/theportalreport/status/16533859114498...
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New name — Jay Pal of Campbell. Strong numbers; from Omaha. Would have overlapped with Shereef.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/...

https://twitter.com/theportalreport/status/16533859114498...
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I recall one play against Indiana (not one of Jason's best moments) when he passed on a dunk and missed a short jumper. After the play, I can still see an very upset Larry Hunter making slam dunk gestures to Jason.
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Kent State player London Maiden entering portal today - did not play any minutes last season.
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Toledo reloads with 6-10 center from Croatia.

Grgur BRČIĆ

We enter May still searching for big man portal gold.
Is it just me or does it feel like the rest of the conference is getting bigger while we're going small?
I don't mind going smaller as long as we accentuate the strengths of going small and stay away from the weaknesses. Put shooters on the floor, get up a lot of shots, force turnovers, etc. It's not like our teams or Buffalo's teams or the Wally-led Miami team that won in the NCAA Tournament featured great post players. FDU just beat a one seed with a 7-4 starter without playing anyone taller than 6'6''. That Creighton team that beat us had a 6'7'' "center".
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What we're missing, it seems, is length and athleticism. Our best teams had more of it. I'd do anything to always have a DeVaughn Washington type who is long and switchable, can play big in small lineups and smaller in big lineups.
For me, in today's NCAA, these two thoughts combine for the direction that most good mid-major teams have when they end up seeing memorable success. Mid-majors like Ohio win big when they have really good guards/wings, and big guys that can defend their position respectably when they play P6 schools. If they make open shots, even better. The odds of Ohio, or any other MAC school getting a "7 footer" that's so good that he's a transfer portal target after having a good MAC year are so remote you're probably more likely to win the Power Ball than bet on that.

I think we'll see success under Boals again when we have guards and wings that get it done, and a couple big guys that can defend and board at a high level. Kind of like we all saw in 2012, and 2021. Hopefully those guys are either on this roster, or they get found and signed soon.

Two things I've learned on this board in those years from 2010-2013: Really good guards win in March. Tough defensive teams travel well on the road.
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If (???) that Kent State elite-8 team is the barometer for MAC-NCAA success, what does that roster tell us?

Elite guards, plus good wings/pf, plus two centers that can hold their own but were not necessarily prolific scorers/rebounders.

The reason bigs are VERY important on the NCAA stage is because when P5 teams go small to match MAC-caliber teams, their 4s and 5s are much more athletic than ours. Keeping P5 bigs on the floor, and having guys (like Kent, 2002) that can keep them from going off, means it is NOW a backcourt game.

None of the bigs Kent played (Oklahoma, Alabama, Pitt, Indiana) got off in any way. And also remember those two Kent bigs were freshmen/sophomore.

Good MAC backcourts have proven to hold their own in NCAA play --- when they have help. Don't underestimate having size and depth inside on the big stage.

My opinion.
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I am a Cal Poly season ticket holder though I don’t see many games. Koromo can be a force but has been very inconsistent. If all else fails, he would be in my opinion a better option than Wiznitzer because he is more athletic. Also he looks to me as if he has real upside potential.
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Add Alimamy Koroma of Cal Poly to the list.

https://twitter.com/theportalreport/status/16534703983345...

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/...
I am a Cal Poly season ticket holder though I don’t see many games. Koromo can be a force but has been very inconsistent. If all else fails, he would be in my opinion a better option than Wiznitzer because he is more athletic. Also he looks to me as if he has real upside potential.
That’s cool you have that insight. Do you think he’s at least athletic/physical enough to hang with other MAC bigs? It’s too bad Foster isn’t happening; but we just a better option than what we currently have. I really like Jay Pal, but he also has a lot more — and more notable suitors. It does appear he and Shereef know each other from Omaha days, though.
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Add Alimamy Koroma of Cal Poly to the list.

https://twitter.com/theportalreport/status/16534703983345...

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/...
I am a Cal Poly season ticket holder though I don’t see many games. Koromo can be a force but has been very inconsistent. If all else fails, he would be in my opinion a better option than Wiznitzer because he is more athletic. Also he looks to me as if he has real upside potential.
That’s cool you have that insight. Do you think he’s at least athletic/physical enough to hang with other MAC bigs? It’s too bad Foster isn’t happening; but we just a better option than what we currently have. I really like Jay Pal, but he also has a lot more — and more notable suitors. It does appear he and Shereef know each other from Omaha days, though.
I don't see where Foster committed somewhere yet?
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If (???) that Kent State elite-8 team is the barometer for MAC-NCAA success, what does that roster tell us?

Elite guards, plus good wings/pf, plus two centers that can hold their own but were not necessarily prolific scorers/rebounders.

The reason bigs are VERY important on the NCAA stage is because when P5 teams go small to match MAC-caliber teams, their 4s and 5s are much more athletic than ours. Keeping P5 bigs on the floor, and having guys (like Kent, 2002) that can keep them from going off, means it is NOW a backcourt game.

None of the bigs Kent played (Oklahoma, Alabama, Pitt, Indiana) got off in any way. And also remember those two Kent bigs were freshmen/sophomore.

Good MAC backcourts have proven to hold their own in NCAA play --- when they have help. Don't underestimate having size and depth inside on the big stage.

My opinion.
If we use Ohio's 2012 Sweet 16 team as the barometer of MAC-NCAA success we are looking at a starting frontcourt of Jon Smith and Ivo Baltic with Reggie Keely off the bench. Three forwards and Jon Smith was probably the "center" of that bunch despite being the smallest. He was a great athlete who provided a lot more for that team then he gets credit for on the defensive end.

The only center on the roster was Ethan Jacobs. I don't think he saw the floor in the tournament at all.

As pointed out with Kent and Ohio, the key was the post guys could defend. Our most prolific bigs the last ten years were probably Dwight and Ndour. The teams their senior years unfortunately did not win. However, we all wish/wonder what happens if we had Dwight last year...

I'd prefer we go small/athletic, but the risk there is we get beat up in MAC play if we can't defend properly... and our biggest problem last year was defense IMO. I am hoping Ike helps us a lot in that area
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