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Posted: 2/9/2013 7:29 PM

Just to get some of the record straight:

I graduated in June (I'm proud of completing my degree in 4 years). But I am currently an Ohio University grad student. So yeah, last semester I did sit in the student section. But geez Brufus, I was 22 years old and technically enrolled. Give me a break.

On top of the two and a half classes I'm currently taking, I'm committed to 20 hours of research a week at the university, as well as working part-time twice a week in Columbus. I went to the game today (sat way up there, which was kind of cool in it's own right). But honestly, with the free time I do have, I just don't have the energy to sit in the student section these days. Full support down there requires a physical and emotional drain that I just can't afford at this point in time.

To speak to the game:

Yeah, it was pretty boring. 

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Posted: 2/9/2013 7:34 PM
Sibs and Dad's Weekends always lend themselves to quiet crowds. There were lots of younger children in the O Zone that probably had no idea what was going on. Same goes for when you get all the Dads in there.

As has been mentioned before, just because you're not screaming your head off doesn't mean you are disinterested. I was never in the front row of the student section back in my day, but made it to every single game and had fun with my friends. I suspect there's many others like that too. I don't judge your "fan-ness" based exclusively on how loud you are.
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Posted: 2/9/2013 7:45 PM

Before we get deeper into this discussion, I think we need some clarification on who I am vs. who The Situation is.  For whatever reason, we have been mixed up a lot. I can see where the confusion comes from since we both entered into Ohio as freshman in the Fall of 08 and have both probably been identified as "that huge Bobcats fan" at some point.  I graduated this fall.  The Situation is now grad student at Ohio who also is working full-time.

That said, I agreed with The Situation on a lot of points raised in December.  I have a lot of respect for his ability to get things done.  I thought the meeting was successful in trying to capitalize on the increase in student support we have seen lately.  We all agreed it was going to take continued dedication from everyone to actually keep the ideas going strong.  With my graduation and The Situation working a real world job in addition to taking graduate classes, that took away our involvement.

-MS


The O Zoners leading the group now successfully got the group up to Akron and are now handling the dirt sheets.  Sibs weekend and Dad's weekend have always been large but quiet crowds with a lot of very casual fans coming but not cheering...  

I think the O Zone is at a tough point for leadership right now.  As Shabamon mentioned, student attendance is amazing right now.  Consider that when I came into Ohio as a freshman in 2008, we had never won a bowl game and our last NCAA tournament win was not in any of the typical students lifetime.  Since then, we have been to the big dance 2 times getting out of round 1 each time and have 2 bowl wins.
Besides this being awesome, it has also led to the average student jumping on the Bobcats bandwagon.  The average student is starting to really root for Ohio athletics.  The average student is also showing up.  The student crowds when we were undefeated didn't even fit in Peden, and the student crowds for basketball this year easily pack the whole O Zone along with filling some of the upper sections of the Convo.
The culture changed in a very big way pretty quickly.

This is great, but we cannot expect these people to be diehard fans who are going to be cheering like crazy.  Not everyone likes cheering.  The biggest worry about the O Zone used to be getting people to show up...  The team took care of that.  Now the O Zone needs to figure out a way to get the people who show up involved and excited.

The idea behind the cheering section leaders was to have extremely enthusiastic fans positioned consistently so more casual fans could know who to follow.  If there are empty cheering section leaders, find the craziest people in the O Zone, and get them involved.  Getting new/more people involved is crucial...  Excitement spills over.

Last Edited: 2/9/2013 7:50:15 PM by The Optimist
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Posted: 2/9/2013 8:10 PM
I was going to go on a rant about berating other students, but all I'm going to say is that really sets a good example.  (I know how ironic that is considering how much we go after the other team.)  Casual fans cheer when they have fun, not because some guy is berating them.

Even though it wasn't the most exciting game, I still had a ball in the Ozone.  Unfortunately, I won't be able to go to another one until Akron and Miami.
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Posted: 2/9/2013 8:30 PM
Hmm, I was at the sibs weekend game last year against Asheville. I thought it was a boisterous student crowd.

The O Zone's I remember as a student had plenty of people who wanted to get rowdy and jump around. It really was as good or better than student sections found in the Big East or ACC. I refuse to believe there is a shift in culture where there aren't as many students who want to participate that way today.
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Posted: 2/9/2013 8:32 PM
Maybe you guys should let the 110 lead the OZone. They do much better as a group than our "student section".
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Posted: 2/9/2013 8:33 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Hmm, I was at the sibs weekend game last year against Asheville. I thought it was a boisterous student crowd.


In fairness, there was a lot more to cheer about. As I remember, there were a lot of exciting runs, dunks, 3-pointers, etc. Today was a very UGLY game.
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Posted: 2/9/2013 8:42 PM
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Maybe you guys should let the 110 lead the OZone. They do much better as a group than our "student section".


They definitely do pretty well. 

The incohesion between the Ozone and the 110 has always confused me. Earlier this year, both sections had different chants going on at the same time. 
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Posted: 2/10/2013 1:52 PM
I worry that the O Zone, along with alumni, put too much pressure on the O Zone and take it too seriously. If they're not awesome every game, they get criticized. I don't think that's particularly helpful.

The only time people should be playing police is if someone's cheering for the other team or insulting our own. Someone's standing there and not cheering? Maybe they're tired and taking a couple minutes off. You don't know. I maintain the best way to get people involved is to do your thing and show other people it's fun. Make them want to do it, not guilt them into it. Be proactive. Before the game, give out high fives and say, "We're getting crazy tonight, right?"
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Posted: 2/10/2013 1:55 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Hmm, I was at the sibs weekend game last year against Asheville. I thought it was a boisterous student crowd.

The O Zone's I remember as a student had plenty of people who wanted to get rowdy and jump around. It really was as good or better than student sections found in the Big East or ACC. I refuse to believe there is a shift in culture where there aren't as many students who want to participate that way today.

I think there are absolutely students willing to participate in a wild way.  The point I was making is that there are now a lot more casual students there who don't want to participate in that way.  1 person going nuts isn't as noticeable when you have 10 people casually clapping.  The trick is to get those 10 people into it more, even if it isn't as much as the diehard fans are into it.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 6:00 PM
I'm betting Ozone's level of fervor parallel's the game's excitement.

For instance, watching Clipper's beat Knicks today, the difference was 40-yr old Grant Hill's fierce defense on Carmelo Anthony late 2nd half.  That kind of effort is what should be given and what sparks the fervor.

Energetic defensive effort..

Let's see 40 minutes of that and see what ensues.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 6:52 PM
LiquidDateII wrote:expand_more
Maybe you guys should let the 110 lead the OZone. They do much better as a group than our "student section".


They definitely do pretty well. 

The incohesion between the Ozone and the 110 has always confused me. Earlier this year, both sections had different chants going on at the same time. 


Has there been any attempt to connect leaders from both groups to try to coordinate anything? In my time in the band that never happened, and I think it's a promising idea. 

The 110 has a lot of pride in what they do and the teams that provide them the opportunity to perform, and certainly the leaders of the OZone share the same passion for the Bobcats. In my time, there were times when the band would start a cheer and the OZone would simply turn around and stare as if it were out of place for the 110 to start their own cheers. I'm not trying to point fingers. This is something where a small gathering of students with similar passion and fervor for OHIO athletics would do some good. 

Band leaders would LOVE the chance to share some stuff with the OZone, and I'm sure the OZone would love to bounce ideas off other people with a different perspective. 

Just some food for thought!
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Posted: 2/10/2013 7:28 PM
Thought the "Bilbo Baggins" and "Oompa Loompa" cheers were funny...guess the Dukies do this kind of stuff all the time so maybe not so original.....didn't think this was funny by them however:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Duke-fans-cha...


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Posted: 2/10/2013 7:48 PM
My thoughts on the "Oompa Loompa" cheer: it's funny, but it would be so much better if we actually sang the song, the lines to the chorus aren't that hard to learn, and that's all we would probably have time to get in before he actually took the shot anyway...
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Posted: 2/10/2013 8:18 PM
Tyler Charles wrote:expand_more
Maybe you guys should let the 110 lead the OZone. They do much better as a group than our "student section".


They definitely do pretty well.

The incohesion between the Ozone and the 110 has always confused me. Earlier this year, both sections had different chants going on at the same time.


Has there been any attempt to connect leaders from both groups to try to coordinate anything? In my time in the band that never happened, and I think it's a promising idea.

The 110 has a lot of pride in what they do and the teams that provide them the opportunity to perform, and certainly the leaders of the OZone share the same passion for the Bobcats. In my time, there were times when the band would start a cheer and the OZone would simply turn around and stare as if it were out of place for the 110 to start their own cheers. I'm not trying to point fingers. This is something where a small gathering of students with similar passion and fervor for OHIO athletics would do some good.

Band leaders would LOVE the chance to share some stuff with the OZone, and I'm sure the OZone would love to bounce ideas off other people with a different perspective.

Just some food for thought!
Agreed. It'd be huge if there was some cohesion for the Akron game.

Gotta get the OU Oh Yeah chant going too.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 8:53 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Thought the "Bilbo Baggins" and "Oompa Loompa" cheers were funny...guess the Dukies do this kind of stuff all the time so maybe not so original.....didn't think this was funny by them however:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Duke-fans-cha...


No, the personal insults to 18-22 year olds are not funny.
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Posted: 2/11/2013 3:17 PM
Is the O-Zone still passing out sheets with interesting tidbits/jabs about the players?  As a student from 05-09 I found that to be very helpful in understanding why we were making fun of a certain player (i.e. KSU forward just got a DUI) but also got me well-versed in the common chants.
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Posted: 2/11/2013 3:28 PM
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Exactly. Other people and I stood up for the girls, which is more in line with the spirit of OU.

Getting yelled at and ridiculed isn't going to motivate people to cheer. Maybe try a more mature, positive approach instead of the Holier than Thou Ozone approach.


Texting the O Zone might be a better way to get the message across.  Seems like half the section is looking at their phones most of the game.
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Posted: 2/11/2013 4:50 PM
Naive questions: What does one have to do to sit in the "O Zone section", what prevents the general student population from sitting in the "O Zone section", and when all students pay the same amount in general fee dollars, should any students be prevented access to any and all general admission student sections?

Ex: If i'm a student and am a huge hoops fan, want to sit in the best seat possible and get to the games as soon as the doors open in order to watch from the best possible perspective, and yet want to watch the game intently and don't want to go crazy, shouldn't I be able to do that without someone berating me to get involved or get out?

I suspect the "O Zone section" is the bleachers adjacent to the 110, but it is not policed, leading to the harassment of the ladies as has been referenced.  And those are certainly the best seats available to students.  So to increase access of better seats for students that want a good vantage point (evidenced by the point that they are getting there early enough to access the O Zone section), shouldn't something be done such as provide seating behind the baskets to allow the general student population (non-O Zoners) a better vantage point where they don't have to worry about being harassed, and can do whatever they damn well please while attending the game that they paid for via the general fee?
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Posted: 2/11/2013 7:35 PM
The "O Zone section" officially would be the bleachers, now minus the area the band occupies. When I was a student, you had to be wearing the O Zone shirt for that season during MAC play, and this was enforced by athletics personnel. This enforcement seemed to get more lax as the years went by.

There were always two exceptions, though, even during conference play: sibs and dads weekends, sibs and dads could sit in the section with the student they were visiting (which effectively means they're open to anybody). This typically resulted in a fuller, quieter, tamer O Zone.

The seats behind the bleachers below the press row, and two more sections behind that all the way up are all reserved for student general admission and weren't policed in any way when I was there.
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Posted: 2/11/2013 8:34 PM
Alex is correct. Policing the actual O Zone section has waxed and waned year by year.

I think many sports-savvy incoming students are aware that the O Zone has a reputation based on history of being a legitimate, crazy cheering section. I think it's only right that only paying members of the O Zone should be allowed down there, and if someone signs up for that, they should expect that many of those around them are going to get loud and crazy. Plus, the sections between the O Zone and press row are still a good vantage point for basketball...at least the back few rows. It's tough to see the game if the row in front of you is standing.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 1:24 AM
"Ohio University, American Civil Liberties Union to investigate reports OZone members' free Egg McMuffins contained extra ham while non-OZone students received Egg McMuffins with a soy-veggie ham replacement, which was skimpily applied at that."
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:24 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
The only time people should be playing police is if someone's cheering for the other team or insulting our own. Someone's standing there and not cheering? Maybe they're tired and taking a couple minutes off. You don't know. I maintain the best way to get people involved is to do your thing and show other people it's fun. Make them want to do it, not guilt them into it. Be proactive. Before the game, give out high fives and say, "We're getting crazy tonight, right?"


And there is your answer, I was in the O Zone from 2009-this past fall. And the first two years were way better than recently. It was all about having fun, making new friends and watching some football and basketball. The fact that everybody was up beat, making jokes and laughing is what got me into it. Now everybody is so focused on being loud that it really subtracts from the mission of the O Zone. So the only advice I could offer is don't focus on being loud, focus on having fun. Having fun creates interest, causes people to put down their phones because they are involved with the atmosphere, and just want to hang with 5,000 of their closes friends to cheer on the Bobcats. Don't take this the wrong way, but sometimes it's just best to get back to the basics. Bring the enjoyment back, instead of the "we have to be loud" tunnel vision and everything will start to fall in place   
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