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Posted: 10/23/2012 6:27 PM
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...clearly do not understand economics.


I believe economics= Someone produces a product to sell for as much profit as the market will pay for it...and then someone buys that product or not.

Monroe bought said product for the market rate which included paying the premium demanded to be eligible to purchase the tickets (OBC membership).

Thus endeth the economics lesson.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 6:41 PM
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1.  You have to give at a high level to the OBC to even be allowed to purchase the seats.
2.  The offer was only made to folks on this message board.
3.  Nearly all of us on this message board are already season ticket holders and likely give to the OBC anyway.
4.  The seats are sold out, so even if someone wanted the Black seats, they would not be able to purchase them.
5.  The experience of upgrading one's seats for a game may inspire that person to want to sit lower next year.  That will indirectly create higher OBC donations and higher ticket revenue next year.

I have purchased way more season tickets than I need for football and basketball every year.  I do it for a few reasons.  First, I like to have a few extras each game to give away to family/friends/clients if they want to attend last minute.  Second, I want to introduce folks to the atmosphere hoping they will hop on the bandwagon.  This strategy has resulted in about 40 extra season tickets being sold this year for both sports because I introduced people to Ohio Athletics last year.  Last, it helps the season ticket and attendance numbers.  I take pride in helping, even in a small way, to build the regular fan base.  I have 8 tickets for basketball and 17 for football.  I have a family of four, yet nearly every ticket gets used for every game.  Monroe is simply doing the same thing.  If I buy his seats for a couple games, all my seats will still get used.  Who cares who is paying for it?


Thanks 695, you make some good arguments. I think the fact that the Black seats are sold out makes understanding their demand more difficult and as I've said many times, the prior purchasing intentions of the bidders is the deciding factor of financial impact.  Here are my thoughts though on your points:
  1. By creating an avenue to get the seats without making the donation this may actually lower the demand for the seats as sold in the structure via the ticket office since a cheaper more flexible option now exists.
  2. Agreed, although I'm not sure where you are going with this as far as impact.
  3. I agree, although it is hard to say if anyone would donate more to OBC to have access to the black seats if they were not made available by Monroe. I would suspect they would.
  4. This is the interesting wrinkle.  The supply is fixed, so really the only thing we can change is the demand.
  5.  In point 1 I mentioned one way this might lower demand, however I see your point that a "trial" can increase demand.  My only thoughts on this are that it is a little over reaching to have fans managing trial upgrades of seats to drive demand, and to not do this was a decision that was made by the ticket office.
I also want to applaud you for what you do in your season ticket purchases.  Getting new fans in the seats is something I think everyone on this board strives for and you are doing a great job.  As it pertains to this debate what you are doing is very different.  You are giving tickets away to those who would otherwise not purchase tickets in an attempt to gain fans and involvement.  Very different from selling restricted access tickets as a way to circumvent the official pathway for accessing a premium experience, for those who would normally buy a standard ticket.

I think in an ideal world. Monroe would have just donated the money and not bought the tickets.  Thus freeing up the tickets for full price purchase by someone else assuming the demand is there, which since they are sold out I suspect there is the demand.  Or better yet, instead of just donating the money Monroe could buy 20 non premium season tickets and donate them to local businesses or charities and try to build the fan base.  




Wait. Can you start from the beginning again?  I didn't catch all of that.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 7:57 PM
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If you are not interested in the intellectual debate on the financial impact of ticket scalping then don't participate.


Scalping? The university is getting MORE than face value for every ticket Monroe has. First, he paid for the tickets --- full price. Second, he then re-sells them to others who pay whatever amount of $$ for each ticket. That is INCREMENTAL revenue with the total MORE than what Ohio would have received had they sold that ticket a single time.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 8:12 PM
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Sigh

I fully support Monroe spending his money as he sees fit and hell if he wants to sell the tickets at a personal profit more power to him. But if you think what he is doing is worthy of the highest of praise because it raises money for the university you clearly do not understand economics.


He is NOT profiting. He is giving the additional proceeds to intercollegiate athletics and Accounting.

I stated earlier ... Ohio is getting MORE than face value for every ticket. Monroe paid FULL price and someone else pays an additional amount.

Simple example; say a ticket is $20 and Monroe gets another $15 from someone who wants to attend a game. TOTAL = $35 for a SINGLE ticket sold by the university.  One seat out of 13,000+ is up for grabs every game and the very WORST case is that Monroe doesn't re-sell it and the university nets the face value.

Sorry Dayvid but you need to revisit Econ 101 or 102 IMO.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 8:27 PM
Good grief!!! Are we really debating this for 3 pages worth of material?????

The section is sold out. Monroe is providing us (the best fans) a chance to experience them while also helping out the athletic department and the university. That, my friends, is a win-win. Any line of thinking that sees this as a negative is seriously flawed.

Getting off the soapbox! 
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Posted: 10/23/2012 8:56 PM
Ugh, alright Jerry you are the last person I'm going to explain this to.

First I never actually meant he would be profiting from this...If you had read ANY of what I was saying you would know that I am talking about way further down the money chain than that.

Further, your example is the exact short-sightedness that I mentioned in my last post.  Yes, at first glance it appears that the school is getting more money, but the person who buys the ticket from Monroe, what happens to the money they would have spent buying a regular ticket? It stays in their pocket most likely.  Sure that is only one particular situation but that is just the tip of the iceberg of the potential ways I have mentioned that this ticket reselling can hurt the university.

Not saying it will, just that it can. A point which seemed to woosh over the heads of 90% of the people here who are still ignorantly praising him.

 With that I'll drop this, there is plenty of information in this thread to educate anyone on the potential recourse of selling tickets in this manner should they care to. 


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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:33 PM
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Ugh, alright Jerry you are the last person I'm going to explain this to.

First I never actually meant he would be profiting from this...If you had read ANY of what I was saying you would know that I am talking about way further down the money chain than that.

Further, your example is the exact short-sightedness that I mentioned in my last post.  Yes, at first glance it appears that the school is getting more money, but the person who buys the ticket from Monroe, what happens to the money they would have spent buying a regular ticket? It stays in their pocket most likely.  Sure that is only one particular situation but that is just the tip of the iceberg of the potential ways I have mentioned that this ticket reselling can hurt the university.

Not saying it will, just that it can. A point which seemed to woosh over the heads of 90% of the people here who are still ignorantly praising him.

 With that I'll drop this, there is plenty of information in this thread to educate anyone on the potential recourse of selling tickets in this manner should they care to. 


I read ALL of what  you posted and that's why I was so shocked at your perspective.

REPEAT -- the university is getting MORE $$$$. We are talking about ONE ticket (seat). The university will realize at a MINIMUM the face value of the seat. And in many cases they will realize MORE than face value due to the INCREMENTAL revenue from the resale.

And if Monroe does NOT buy season tickets that's one less seat sold to the Convo. Do the math. How many home games? Cost per ticket? That would be lost revenue. And the "offer", here on BA to re-sell the ticket likely goes to people who support  Ohio financially already. We're not talking about the man on the street who might come to the game.

Great job Monroe .... some of us "get it".
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Posted: 10/24/2012 10:17 AM
I think the real danger here lies in the fact that no one will be the winner if Monroe just goes back to permitting people who already own season tix  or have player passes to utilize those seats without any additional benefit to the departments .

I agree with Davyd's long term scenario on some level but in this case most of the folks who are going to bid on those already have season tix and are looking for an upgraded experience. If you are a BA'er who is logged in and PM ing Monroe you are either a person who has made contributions or you live so far away that you might bid on those seats and up your giving once you have sat down there and had the experience your once in a decade trip back to Athens.

In this case I clearly see only winners if Monroe follows through. It is a lot better situation than just giving them to someone who has connections or selling them via StubHub or through third parties...or for tha matter directly and keeping the money. ( I still think he is pricing hem way too low, they are really good seats!)
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Posted: 10/29/2012 9:01 PM
I think it a great way to support the program both
By insuring fan attendance and through the added financial support !
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Posted: 10/30/2012 10:51 AM
Hey Monroe. Great idea. This dweeb needs to get of fhis high horse.

I'm interested in bidding on a few games personally.  
I'm turning 40 in January and can't think of a better present to myself than to sit in the front row and see my Bobcats. Thanks for doing this, I think its a fine thing you are doing. 
 
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Posted: 10/30/2012 2:08 PM
Monroe , time to reup your protocol.

Tell how you want the PM's and your terms.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 10:48 AM
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This thread got weird.


+1

I support Monroe. 
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:41 AM
I've received no bids for Mercyhurst.  Anyone?

Bids are starting to come in for Portland.  Bids will be accepted until midnight L.A. time on Monday 11/5 for Portland. 

I'll post the deadline for every game, usually being about five days before the date of the game.

Bidding is blind--I will not reveal to anyone the current high bid or the winning bid.  I don't see any advantage in revealing that and the chance for discord if I do.  If there are multiple bids, I will discount somewhat the bid of anyone who has used the seats already since I want to spread the opportunity around.  Minimum bid is $18.04 per seat per game.  Prefer being paid via paypal.

pm me with your bids, please.

Thanks, Monroe
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Posted: 11/2/2012 10:26 AM
Reminder that the deadline for bids for Portland ...Sweet 16 celebration...start of regular season....is Monday at midnight L.A. time.

Be there in the first row!

pm 'em to me!
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Posted: 11/6/2012 3:23 AM
Thanks for the graciousness of all who participated in the Portland game bidding.

Next up is UNC-Wimington on Friday, November 16.  Let the bidding for the seats on the floor begin!  Deadline is midnight on Sunday night (11/11).
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Posted: 11/11/2012 12:00 PM
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Thanks for the graciousness of all who participated in the Portland game bidding.

Next up is UNC-Wimington on Friday, November 16.  Let the bidding for the seats on the floor begin!  Deadline is midnight on Sunday night (11/11).


pm me if you want to be first row, feet on the floor.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:18 PM
I buy four season tix each year even though I can't make it to even half the games. I am sure many of us do for no other reason than we love our school.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:22 PM
Well, I am one who has not been back to Athens in 10 years for a game.  The last game I went to was a very disappointing loss to SMC in the Rainbow Classic finals.  I placed a bid on a game because I am actually going to be in the state of Ohio and if I am going to invest  7-8 hours of my very little time to travel to Athens and watch the game I want the best seat possible.  I know I will not go if I am sitting in the upper bowl.  I can use the full day to visit with my aging family.  If I secure the tickets, I will have to pay for parking which is more money for the AD.  I will go out to eat at a locally own restaurant which helps the Athens economy.  I will also make a trip to the bookstore and purchase new gear.  Besides the money for the tickets I will still support the local economy as well as the Athletic Department.  I understand Dayvid's argument.  I disagree with him.  I know personally I appreciate Monroe's efforts not only because hopefully I get a great seat to watch a once in a generation team but also I have now networked with Monroe above just message board fodder.  Building a strong network will also help build the program as a whole.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:34 PM
Hawaiian...and others...the tix come with a parking spot included.  I don't have that info in front of me but I'm sure the parking is in the closest possible location to The Convo.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:37 PM
Well not to p.o. Dayvid, I will donate the cost of parking to the OBC.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:38 PM
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Well, I am one who has not been back to Athens in 10 years for a game.  The last game I went to was a very disappointing loss to SMC in the Rainbow Classic finals.  I placed a bid on a game because I am actually going to be in the state of Ohio and if I am going to invest  7-8 hours of my very little time to travel to Athens and watch the game I want the best seat possible.  I know I will not go if I am sitting in the upper bowl.  I can use the full day to visit with my aging family.  If I secure the tickets, I will have to pay for parking which is more money for the AD.  I will go out to eat at a locally own restaurant which helps the Athens economy.  I will also make a trip to the bookstore and purchase new gear.  Besides the money for the tickets I will still support the local economy as well as the Athletic Department.  I understand Dayvid's argument.  I disagree with him.  I know personally I appreciate Monroe's efforts not only because hopefully I get a great seat to watch a once in a generation team but also I have now networked with Monroe above just message board fodder.  Building a strong network will also help build the program as a whole.



HBC

You showed my son and the team great hospitality out there. Let me know when you are coming and I will try to make it over from Muncie and at least buy your first round, or 6. Appreciate all that you do from afar.

As for the seats, I have sat there. For an old player like you, you should be in 7th heaven. A chance to let the refs know how you feel. A close up look at the kids as you know TV does nothing to tell you what they really look like and how the actually size up with the program. 695 next to you sharing thoughtful exchanges regrading the performance and the Ozone/Band at your back. Did I say you are directly across from the opposing bench...it is all good.

The guy sittingthere yesterday had an eyepatch. Looked real so I do not want to hurt feelings if is was an actual medical device but it looked pretty cool considering......
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:50 PM
Can't wait borna.  I am taking my dad with me to the game so I will have a DD.  Since I have been on Maui I have written TOS and Groce about getting in the Maui Invitational.  I guess it is time to write Christian and maybe try to network with the tourney itself.  Getting 800-1000 Bobcats to buy our tickets might be the only problem.  I would love to play host for everybody.  I know the MIT has great events for all the fans but I know I can arrange somethings they can't for my fellow Cats.  I dream about it every year.  Anyways looking forward to Athens and meeting some Bobcatattackers.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 7:02 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Well, I am one who has not been back to Athens in 10 years for a game.  The last game I went to was a very disappointing loss to SMC in the Rainbow Classic finals.  I placed a bid on a game because I am actually going to be in the state of Ohio and if I am going to invest  7-8 hours of my very little time to travel to Athens and watch the game I want the best seat possible.  I know I will not go if I am sitting in the upper bowl.  I can use the full day to visit with my aging family.  If I secure the tickets, I will have to pay for parking which is more money for the AD.  I will go out to eat at a locally own restaurant which helps the Athens economy.  I will also make a trip to the bookstore and purchase new gear.  Besides the money for the tickets I will still support the local economy as well as the Athletic Department.  I understand Dayvid's argument.  I disagree with him.  I know personally I appreciate Monroe's efforts not only because hopefully I get a great seat to watch a once in a generation team but also I have now networked with Monroe above just message board fodder.  Building a strong network will also help build the program as a whole.



HBC

You showed my son and the team great hospitality out there. Let me know when you are coming and I will try to make it over from Muncie and at least buy your first round, or 6. Appreciate all that you do from afar.

As for the seats, I have sat there. For an old player like you, you should be in 7th heaven. A chance to let the refs know how you feel. A close up look at the kids as you know TV does nothing to tell you what they really look like and how the actually size up with the program. 695 next to you sharing thoughtful exchanges regrading the performance and the Ozone/Band at your back. Did I say you are directly across from the opposing bench...it is all good.

The guy sittingthere yesterday had an eyepatch. Looked real so I do not want to hurt feelings if is was an actual medical device but it looked pretty cool considering......


Nah, TF, I'll get the second round.  You can have 3-6.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:25 PM
If the seats are the ones next to me (1& 2), I feel bad for the guys that had them Saturday. Normally there is not a bass drum behind you. That was only because the full 110 was there.

I'd love to meet some of the folks that are buying those every game. Kudos to Monroe for doing it. Parking is reserved under the Convo for that seating section. It is fun to sit that close. I try to get one call per game in our favor by politely, yet persistently working the officials about illegal screens or carrying.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:00 PM
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. I try to get one call per game in our favor by politely, yet persistently working the officials about illegal screens or carrying.


    Speaking of which, one of the Portland guards (#16 I believe) turned the ball over on every dribble, it appeared. I'm amazed at what ballhandlers can get away with these days.
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