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NashvilleKat
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:07 AM
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After watching Belmont surgically disect us on their spread, drive and dish offense, the fact is we don't have to win tournament games in other people's buildings. Remember, Kansas lost to TCU on the road, as did Duke and Carolina by 20+ at Miami, and then Miami got waxed by a mediocre Wake Forest team. As much as it pains me as a Nashville resident to watch our guys get smoked, all that matters is that we win in Cleveland. Remember last year at Toledo and EMU.   
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:31 AM
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You are right on the money Nashvillecat.  I can't help but laugh at all the knuckleheads on this board who are ready to have J.C. walk the plank with a 20-7 record, 11-1 in the MAC, a better MAC record than Groce ever had, !
This team has glaring weaknesses.  Anyone who has played the game at a high level, or coached the game can see those glaring areas that contributed to so many lost games that shouldnt have been loses in the last couple of years.   Even with the problems this team has, they were able to get on a great run last season and win the MAC tourney, and advance in the NCAA !   But folks, that does not make them any better than they are  !!!
Relax, sit back, and get ready to see if we can play better on our home floor, against the Zips !   (a team that it probably better than we are if you look at their lineup and bench objectively)
P.S.  Anyone who thinks JC cannot coach, watch some practice.
 
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Posted: 2/24/2013 10:22 AM
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And, the good news is...we'll only have to play 2 games in Cleveland! Unlike previous years where it took 3-4 victories.

The semifinals game will be against a team we "should" beat and will be better than. Then it all comes down to one night vs. Akron if we take care of business.

Not worried...not yet, at least. Belmont would win the MAC pretty easily, IMO.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 10:27 AM
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NashvilleKat wrote:expand_more
Relax folks, it all comes down to Cleveland
Doesn't it always? The MAC might as well be the MEAC. One-bid league, forever.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 2:00 PM
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Every year, same ol', same ol'.  Need to win the MAC games, so we get a high seed in the tourney, so we only have to win two or three to make the NCAA.  The nonconference games usually aren't for at-large bids but for seeding purposes in the NCAA.  The loss last night to Belmont dropped us from a 72 to a 73 RPI, so it wasn't huge, even though a win would've gotten us into the 60s.  Still, it might only make the difference between a 14 and a 13 seed.  Akron has a 48 RPI and they're projected as a 13 seed if they get in.  I want us to beat the good nonconf teams as much as anybody.  But for NCAA tourney purposes, the losses don't make that much difference.  Until we get three or four teams in the top 100 RPI, the MAC will probably always be a one-bid league.  But what the losses do is expose our weaknesses and show that if we do make the NCAA, we're likely to get embarrassed. 
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Posted: 2/24/2013 2:34 PM
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Maybe JC deserves a raise. 
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Posted: 2/24/2013 2:54 PM
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bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
Relax folks, it all comes down to Cleveland


Doesn't it always? The MAC might as well be the MEAC. One-bid league, forever.


Considering the MAC has been in position for multiple bids numerous times in the last 20 years, including this year, I would go easy on the "forever" label.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 7:42 PM
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Good point about don't evaluate JC's coaching until you've seen him run practices.

'cause most of us have that option.  And judging what goes on during games isn't really the point.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:36 PM
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Donuts wrote:expand_more
Relax folks, it all comes down to Cleveland


Doesn't it always? The MAC might as well be the MEAC. One-bid league, forever.


Considering the MAC has been in position for multiple bids numerous times in the last 20 years, including this year, I would go easy on the "forever" label.
I don't think it's fair, but it is the truth. The MAC hasn't had two bids in 15 years or more. The conference isn't gaining any ground either. We have some good programs at the top, but overall, the conference has stunk for a long time.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 10:33 PM
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If the logic is everything is just about seeding in the MAC Tournament, then the Akron game really doesn't mean anything either.  If my 'back of the envelope' projections came true and Kent State will enter as the #4 seed, along with my being correct that the #4 seed is in the #1 seeds side of the bracket, I actually would prefer WMU and the #2 seed.    It always seems as though the favorite doesn't win the tournament and a #2 seed leaves Akron as the clear favorite along with us avoiding Kent State, who I believe is in a prime position (laying low in the weeds and building steam) to make some noise in Cleveland while everyone focuses on Akron & Ohio. 
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Posted: 2/25/2013 10:33 AM
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bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
Relax folks, it all comes down to Cleveland


Doesn't it always? The MAC might as well be the MEAC. One-bid league, forever.


Considering the MAC has been in position for multiple bids numerous times in the last 20 years, including this year, I would go easy on the "forever" label.


I don't think it's fair, but it is the truth. The MAC hasn't had two bids in 15 years or more. The conference isn't gaining any ground either. We have some good programs at the top, but overall, the conference has stunk for a long time.


I think for the foreseeable future, the MAC is a one bid league.   The bottom half of this conference has programs that are a LONG way from being good enough to win 21-24 games. I'm referring to EMU, NIU, CMU, BGSU, Miami, and Ball State.  The other half of programs (Toledo, Buffalo, Kent, Akron, WMU, Ohio) have been fairly consistent in recent years in putting together programs that win more than they lose, but only Ohio, Akron, and prior to this year, Kent, have anything that resembles a very good program.  The MAC is what it is.  I've been wondering all year if Ohio and Akron have elevated their programs that much above what used to be above average in the MAC, or are the rest of the teams just slipping a little more?  Or a little of both?
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Posted: 2/25/2013 10:43 AM
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bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
I don't think it's fair, but it is the truth. The MAC hasn't had two bids in 15 years or more. The conference isn't gaining any ground either. We have some good programs at the top, but overall, the conference has stunk for a long time.


It's not "the truth".   Since our last at-large bid the MAC has had several teams that would have received an at large bid but they won the tournament and received the auto-bid.   If Akron takes care of business and then loses in the finals they are receiving an at-large bid. 
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Posted: 2/25/2013 10:50 AM
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OUVan wrote:expand_more
I don't think it's fair, but it is the truth. The MAC hasn't had two bids in 15 years or more. The conference isn't gaining any ground either. We have some good programs at the top, but overall, the conference has stunk for a long time.


It's not "the truth".   Since our last at-large bid the MAC has had several teams that would have received an at large bid but they won the tournament and received the auto-bid.   If Akron takes care of business and then loses in the finals they are receiving an at-large bid. 


Count me as one who hopes that is the case, because I have faith that if Akron is fighting for an at-large, it's because OUr guys beat them.  Still, I believe most years, this is a one bid league.  When we won in Cleveland in 2010, it was a one bid league.  Just one example.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:07 AM
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Count me as one who hopes that is the case, because I have faith that if Akron is fighting for an at-large, it's because OUr guys beat them.  Still, I believe most years, this is a one bid league.  When we won in Cleveland in 2010, it was a one bid league.  Just one example.


There have been plenty of years that the MAC had no at-large worthy teams.  My only point is that people just assume that the MAC will only get one bid because "it's a one bid league."  It doesn't work like that.  Akron has a really good chance to be on the right side of the bubble to make the tournament this year.  At large bids are given to teams not leagues.
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