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Posted: 2/24/2013 12:43 AM
Win tonight and win Wednesday you could at least say you were on the bubble. OK, so they lost. It all turns to Cleveland.

But how can you not be mad about the lack of effort tonight? This game on national tv (somewhere we don't appear regularly) was an 8-minute effort.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 12:47 AM
Get over it folks. Ohio University doesn't have Millions of $$$$ to have a John Groce - end - full stop.

Now, with that said. Our 'sweet 16' team is playing for a coach that DID NOT recruite them nor coachs the same style play as Groce did.
On the other hand. Jim Christian comes in to coach a team that he did not recruite that plays a different style than he coaches.
Think about that for a bit.
With the above said - I think they have done very well so far. Not counting tonight that was an embarrassment to the school on national TV.
Lets see who Christian recruites and where we are next year before we buy the new rope and look for a tall tree.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 12:47 AM
I am in fact drunker and I still can't forget the last 2 and 1/2 hours. I am always behind this team but, as with any team, if you're going to fawn all over them for dominating what amounts to a JUCO team in Eastern Michigan, you should also be able to criticize key things: effort, shot selection, coaching, substitution patterns, effort, teamwork, shot selection and defense...wait, I repeated some things...BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY FREAKIN IMPORTANT! 
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Posted: 2/24/2013 12:51 AM
there is no excuse for that lack of effort. it was embarrassing.

and that is not an overreaction 
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Posted: 2/24/2013 12:57 AM
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there is no excuse for that lack of effort. it was embarrassing.

and that is not an overreaction 


100% agree
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Posted: 2/24/2013 5:50 AM
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Me, I'm in the "This game barely mattered" camp. Whatever. It has no bearing on Wednesday and will be forgotten after we beat Akron.


Sorry.  But a rational look at tonight's game must make you think "I'm not sure that we can beat Akron."

Now, you may think that I'm using 'you' in the sort of generic third person which refers to all who read this. 

Yeah, somewhat; but mostly to Jeff Fitzwater.

Can we beat Akron?  Sure.

But, I'm hard-pressed to see how tonight can add credence to that possibility.  Oh, sure, there's the amnesia and/or embarrassed/fired-up-make-up-for-the-Belmont-stinker possibility.  But there's also the possibility that we just are who we are.

This gives me no pleasure at all to say but between our team play and our individual play, we are less than optimal.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 10:26 AM
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Me, I'm in the "This game barely mattered" camp. Whatever. It has no bearing on Wednesday and will be forgotten after we beat Akron.


Yeah, right.  And the football team's victory on the road at Penn State on ESPN "had no bearing" because all that matters was winning the MAC games.  Who the hell are you kidding?  We have nothing even close to a quality win this season, and have been beaten handily against quality competition.  I'd hate to go camping with you.

I certainly hope we put on a better showing against Akron and still make a run in the tournament, because these seniors certainly deserve it.  A hard-fought win on the road would have done a lot for some of players confidence going into the Akron game (Ivo and Kellogg especially).  
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:17 AM
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why the hell are our starters still in the game when we're down 20 with 3 minutes left???  And we're trying to press full-court? (about 20 minutes too late) Are you kidding me?  This coaching staff is complete garbage!  We don't have anything that resembles a quality win on this season. 

I know anything can happen, hence the term March madness...but man oh man this type of loss at this point in the season cannot be a good sign.

One positive I noted from this game...Jon Smith.  He needs more minutes.  He literally wants to dunk everything he gets his hands on in the paint, and if Ivo and Reggie had 1/2 of that desire we'd be a different team inside.


We were behind the bench last night. With about 4 minutes to go one of the staff went and talked to three of the bench players. I thought they were going to put them in. Then nothing. Part of it was Belmont did a job of holding the ball to control those last 4 minutes. 

 
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:32 AM
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Me, I'm in the "This game barely mattered" camp. Whatever. It has no bearing on Wednesday and will be forgotten after we beat Akron.


I think the players and coaching staff must have had the same thought after watching that game. 
We were there. Sat behind the bench. Watched the interaction, or lack there of, between coach and players and between players and players. 
Center stage on national TV and what do you do? You are outplayed. 
We have been to two games this year in person. Belmont and Memphis. To say I left wondering where are the kids who played in Nashville, taking it to Michigan, is an understatement. 
Where is the coaching staff? Are they there to solely pull out those seats for TOs? JC would turn from the court with his hands held out as if he were saying "well, I just don't know what to do" nearly every time something went poorly for OU last night. He is about as inspiring as a wet paper bag. I don't know if it is the team attitude or the coach's attitude that has been the problem this year. JC was given a great team to work with and they've failed to step up on the national stage this year. I don't know if he can recruit or not, but on the national level, he didn't help that last night. 
I saw the same lackluster attitude when we were at the Memphis game. I mean we didn't have the view of the bench there that we did last night, but compared to the Memphis coach, JC was a corpse. 
I understand a coaching change made it a challenge this year, BUT the same players returned that ended that great season last year. A few changes, I get, but it's a Jekyll and Hyde group. 
Last night... Reggie wouldn't take and drive. Why are all 5 players turning up court after they put it up as if they expect EVERY shot to fall into the basket. I was surprised at the numbers on rebounding... that we had that many. 

On the brighter side, we won the dunk contest. 


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Posted: 2/24/2013 2:05 PM
bostonbobcat wrote:expand_more
Win tonight and win Wednesday you could at least say you were on the bubble. OK, so they lost. It all turns to Cleveland.

But how can you not be mad about the lack of effort tonight? This game on national tv (somewhere we don't appear regularly) was an 8-minute effort.


There was no bubble talk this year. Outside of any victories against one another for Ohio/Akron, the other 14 MAC games were basically against hot garbage, and the committee knows that.  Couple that with our glorious December, and that's that.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 4:50 PM
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Me, I'm in the "This game barely mattered" camp. Whatever. It has no bearing on Wednesday and will be forgotten after we beat Akron.


Yeah, right.  And the football team's victory on the road at Penn State on ESPN "had no bearing" because all that matters was winning the MAC games.  Who the hell are you kidding?  We have nothing even close to a quality win this season, and have been beaten handily against quality competition.  I'd hate to go camping with you.

I certainly hope we put on a better showing against Akron and still make a run in the tournament, because these seniors certainly deserve it.  A hard-fought win on the road would have done a lot for some of players confidence going into the Akron game (Ivo and Kellogg especially).  


In JSF's defense, that is a highly flawed statement because of the nature of football and basketball.  If you win the MAC in Cleveland, you have as much of a shot at a national title as Duke or Indiana.  If you lose 1 game in football, your shot at a title can be completely gone.  (Granted, a MAC school won't make a national title game in football with the BCS, but the point still remains the same.)

In football, every game has the same magnitude and bearing on a postseason.  In basketball, it does not.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:48 PM
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Why are all 5 players turning up court after they put it up as if they expect EVERY shot to fall into the basket. I was surprised at the numbers on rebounding... that we had that many. 


This ^ has been driving me nuts all this year (and most of the last 2)

Last Edited: 2/24/2013 9:49:14 PM by RSBobcat
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Posted: 2/24/2013 10:50 PM
I'm ok with us losing to to Belmont, they're a really good team.

I'm ok with Fat Vince Gill in granny glasses mocking our back up point guard.

I'm ok with DJ getting fed up with his team mates and chucking up 3s out of frustration.

But I'm not ok with HOW we lost. We haven't lost a single game this year where we played tough and looked well coached. We can talk about offensive woes but its our defense that has done us in. In our 20 wins our opponents have not scored more than 68 points but 6/ 7 losses were to teams that scored 74 or more, 5/7 were 81+.

Belmont fans are saying that the Ohio game was the best they've seen their team play all year. I remember hearing Robert Morris, Memphis, UMass, and Akron fans say the same thing. Lucky us.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:24 PM
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I hate the bickering after turnovers.


I actually hate this too.  The average turnover is definitely followed by finger pointing and bickering.

But as for the game, Belmont played really well.  I put this in the category of Robert Morris (opponent playing really well and tough to beat), not Winthrop (a horrible performance with no possible defense).
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:13 AM
Several posters have talked about "lack of effort."  I didn't see lack of effort last night.  What I saw was a team that worked for open shots that wouldn't fall.  If we had shot at a better percentage (especially on three point attemps) the game would have been close.  But, we shot horribily and usually it was one shot and a defensive rebound by Belmont.  I also saw frustration on the faces of the Ohio team when things started to go sour.  I'm not sure if they were frustrated with themselves or with the coaching directives that they were getting.  Whatever its source, I must admit at this point I share their frustration! GO OHIO!
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Posted: 2/25/2013 9:39 AM
I purposely didn't read much of this board Saturday or Sunday.  After reading briefly through the first page of this thread, I have an observation:  Quite a few of the angry posters in here are names I don't see often when talking about things that are good related to Ohio Basketball.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 11:29 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I purposely didn't read much of this board Saturday or Sunday.  After reading briefly through the first page of this thread, I have an observation:  Quite a few of the angry posters in here are names I don't see often when talking about things that are good related to Ohio Basketball.



Yeah.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 11:37 AM
I think we were focused on Wednesday vs Akron too much.  I mean even last week when you saw pictures from campus that showed signs up for #1 vs #2...and what not.

Its not just the fans that see those signs...sure we want to think the players can focus and not think about it, but it sure felt like we were already looking ahead.

my opinion.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 11:53 AM
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Several posters have talked about "lack of effort."  I didn't see lack of effort last night.  What I saw was a team that worked for open shots that wouldn't fall.  If we had shot at a better percentage (especially on three point attemps) the game would have been close.  But, we shot horribily and usually it was one shot and a defensive rebound by Belmont.  I also saw frustration on the faces of the Ohio team when things started to go sour.  I'm not sure if they were frustrated with themselves or with the coaching directives that they were getting.  Whatever its source, I must admit at this point I share their frustration! GO OHIO!


I would agree with this.   Belmont had a very good plan against us and it worked to perfection.  We actually got plenty of good shots early on but just didn't knock them down and then our confidence seemed shot.   Belmont said we are not going to let D.J. Cooper penetrate no matter the cost and we couldn't make them pay for it.
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