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Posted: 2/28/2013 7:02 PM
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And wants to start July 1.  Wow

ND, Rutgers, Louisville can't join their new conferences until 2014.  Where do they go for one year in waiting? And Cinci and UConn are still screwed.

The "old" Big East could have a new name come football season in a couple months?! 


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/900...
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Posted: 2/28/2013 7:20 PM
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And they stand to lose ESPN money. Enjoy, Temple!
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Posted: 2/28/2013 8:00 PM
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"Ohio to the A-10" arguments in 3....2....1.....
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Posted: 2/28/2013 8:03 PM
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When all this conference realignment began, I hated that Ohio was standing pat in the MAC. But it seems like the longer this goes on and the more stable the MAC is, the better off Ohio is. Especially if our football and basketball programs keep performing like they have recently.

Now, if we can just get the MAC brass to get us a better TV deal somehow...
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Posted: 2/28/2013 9:23 PM
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C Money wrote:expand_more
"Ohio to the A-10" arguments in 3....2....1.....


Without Xavier, Dayton, or Butler? No thank you. 
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Posted: 2/28/2013 9:35 PM
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If we're not aloud to be in two different leagues, there's no point of leaving the MAC. Right now the current or old big east has Cincinnati, Memphis, USF, UCF, and UCONN which is good in both sports. If Akron, Ohio, VCU, and like Murray State joins it could be a pretty good conference. This is assuming Dayton, Creighton, St. Louis, and some other join the Catholic League.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:12 PM
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Too bad it cant be MVC for b-ball (to put us in a legit conference with schools that care) and MAC for f-ball.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 12:03 AM
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I think this is the closest we have come to realignment affecting Ohio.
  1. If Xavier & Butler (and maybe more?) indeed leave the A-10 to join the "Basketball Big East"...Does the A-10 look to add 2 teams to get back to 16?  And if so, do they consider Ohio?  And does Ohio have interest in the depleted A-10?
  2. If the remaining football Big East schools try to stick together and form a conference, do they consider Ohio to fill out that conference?  And does Ohio have interest in the geographically dispersed and much maligned "Big East."
I still think we stay unaffected but I'm starting to finally see some real possibilities of it trickling down to Ohio at least in the sense we will be considered.  I think our strong fan support would make us stand out among some other candidates.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 8:46 AM
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From the article: In the past two years, 16 schools have left or announced they were leaving the Big East.

Are you kidding me?!? This is a conference that has 15 teams playing basketball this year (fewer in football). 16 represents COMPLETE TURNOVER+ (though some schools have remained throughout)
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Posted: 3/1/2013 9:08 AM
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mf279801 wrote:expand_more
From the article: In the past two years, 16 schools have left or announced they were leaving the Big East.

Are you kidding me?!? This is a conference that has 15 teams playing basketball this year (fewer in football). 16 represents COMPLETE TURNOVER+ (though some schools have remained throughout)


And the big question is WHY?!???!!!   In hoops, the Big East has been the standard bearer for competition for two decades.  In football, they've been more successful in bowl games than all but the B1G and the ACC.  I just don't get it.  All this for a little more football TV money?  Seriously?
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Posted: 3/1/2013 9:13 AM
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Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I think this is the closest we have come to realignment affecting Ohio.
  1. If Xavier & Butler (and maybe more?) indeed leave the A-10 to join the "Basketball Big East"...Does the A-10 look to add 2 teams to get back to 16?  And if so, do they consider Ohio?  And does Ohio have interest in the depleted A-10?
  2. If the remaining football Big East schools try to stick together and form a conference, do they consider Ohio to fill out that conference?  And does Ohio have interest in the geographically dispersed and much maligned "Big East."
I still think we stay unaffected but I'm starting to finally see some real possibilities of it trickling down to Ohio at least in the sense we will be considered.  I think our strong fan support would make us stand out among some other candidates.


A-10 would have to add 4 teams to get to 16, because Temple and Charlotte are already leaving. 
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Posted: 3/1/2013 9:31 AM
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A depleted A-10 would still have UMass, Saint Louis, VCU, Richmond, and St. Bonnie's. It would still be a notable step up.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 9:48 AM
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A depleted A-10 would still have UMass, Saint Louis, VCU, Richmond, and St. Bonnie's. It would still be a notable step up.


Competition is better no doubt, but without football would it be worth it to move and take on the extra travel expenses that we would come with the move?
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Posted: 3/1/2013 10:18 AM
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A depleted A-10 would still have UMass, Saint Louis, VCU, Richmond, and St. Bonnie's. It would still be a notable step up.


SLU will likely head to the C7 conference in a year or two, so they'd have to be replaced too. 

If the A-10 added us, Akron, Delaware, George Mason, James Madison, and Hofstra it could work. Then they could structure the divisions like so: 

Duquesne
George Washington
University of Richmond
VCU
Akron
Ohio
George Mason
James Madison

Greatest distance between two schools in this division is 450 miles between UR/VCU and Akron. For reference, Athens is is 488 miles from DeKalb. 

and

Fordham
LaSalle
UMass
URI
St. Joes
St. Bonaventure
Delaware
Hofstra

Greatest distance between two schools in this division is 297 miles between Delaware and UMass. 

You could cut down on travel by playing an imbalanced schedule. Everybody in your division twice, and then 3 teams from the other division. 

Or even if you don't imbalance the schedule, there's not any really budget busting trips there. Amherst is a long ways from Athens, sure, but we went there this year out of conference, so obviously we're willing. And 4 of those teams are in Philly and New York, which aren't exactly expensive airports to fly into. 
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Posted: 3/1/2013 10:30 AM
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Good work, Sense of Shame. 

I like some of the possibilities that would come from aligning ourselves with this group.  But all along, the greatest draw of the A-10 for us was Dayton and Xavier.  Without them, the idea takes something of a hit.

And you just know X and Dayton would still refuse to give Ohio a fair deal on OOC scheduling.
 

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Posted: 3/1/2013 10:48 AM
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What about the prospect of the MAC taking on 4 new basketball only schools (or 3 plus UMass full time?)  That's something I'd consider an upgrade. Bring in 3 schools such as VCU, GW, Richmond, Duquesne.  Go to 16 for hoops.  Even better, bring in five new schools and unload EMU.  Let them play in the Summit.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 10:53 AM
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I have said it before and I will say it again: if ever there was a chance for the MAC to expand and bring in quality teams, now is the time. Why not extend an invite to Cincy, UConn, Temple. They can turn us down and some may even laugh at us, but what else are they going to do? They have all placed a heavy financial investment into football and even though they are more known for basketball, they can't turn back now. In addition now that the Big East name is gone what other alternative do they have? The A-10 is a basketball conference and so will the new Big East. Even the schools the Big East may invite Xavier, Butler, Creighton, St Louis and Dayton are basketball schools.

If we do nothing we give the impression, we are happy to go along and get along, but if we extend an invite we at least show we are taking our conference seriously. Otherwise, we will give the impression that we are a nice old historic conferenence happy as a lark just to be 1-A in football and content to have our automatic bid in basketball. We can do better!
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Posted: 3/1/2013 11:01 AM
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cbus cat fan wrote:expand_more
I have said it before and I will say it again: if ever there was a chance for the MAC to expand and bring in quality teams, now is the time. Why not extend an invite to Cincy, UConn, Temple. They can turn us down and some may even laugh at us, but what else are they going to do? They have all placed a heavy financial investment into football and even though they are more known for basketball, they can't turn back now. In addition now that the Big East name is gone what other alternative do they have? The A-10 is a basketball conference and so will the new Big East. Even the schools the Big East may invite Xavier, Butler, Creighton, St Louis and Dayton are basketball schools.

If we do nothing we give the impression, we are happy to go along and get along, but if we extend an invite we at least show we are taking our conference seriously. Otherwise, we will give the impression that we are a nice old historic conferenence happy as a lark just to be 1-A in football and content to have our automatic bid in basketball. We can do better!


I find this intriguing.  Along with this, can we seriously remove the crap at the bottom of the conference?  Is that a feasible option?  Adding UC, UConn, Temple, and then subtracting EMU (and who else?) makes the MAC strong.  A 16 team basketball conference is interesting as well.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 11:15 AM
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Keep in mind that with UConn, Temple and UMass (we could extend UMass an all conference invite not just football) these schools could feel that they are not alone on the East Coast in a conference that is predominately located in the Midwest. In addition, we could gain valuable exposure in those large media markets. Plus this would add some cache to the markets that we are already in or near (Cincy, Cleveland, Columbus, Indianapolis, Detroit and Chicago.)  I like the Cincy invite because it could create lots of inner Ohio rivalries as well.
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I find Uconn's plight amazing.  In the half dozen years or so they have 2 NCAA titles and a BCS bowl game and are left out of the big conferences.  Wow.  (And, that ignores women's basketball.)  Must not be enough cable subscribers in CT for all the conference networks to get income from.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 1:06 PM
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Xavier and Dayton moving on ends my never-gonna-happen dream of the all-Ohio 12 team conference.  I still think that would be awesome...and could even be an 8 team round robin football conference if you get YSU to go to D1.  I just think regional rivalries should be optimized which is what bugs me most about the recent realignment (e.g. Maryland and Rutgers to the Big Ten instead of Notre Dame and Pitt).

I kind of wish the NCAA dictated the conferences and did so in a logical way.

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Posted: 3/1/2013 2:41 PM
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You guys are hilarious thinking UC to the MAC. They are holding out for ACC once another team or two from there is poached.  They see us in the rear view mirror so forget that speculation. 

I still say the best fit for the MAC (in Basketball) would be some kind of combination with MVC teams.  They tend to be "like" MAC schools (bigger publics) and fit our Regional footprint (could expand it more to Ind, Ill and Iowa).
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Why would UC and UConn ever join a conference with the likes of EMU and Buffalo and all the other MAC riff raff?

They are much better off in there generic conference with USF/UCF/SMU and others. Even going independent would be a better solution for them. 
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Competition is better no doubt, but without football would it be worth it to move and take on the extra travel expenses that we would come with the move?


ugh ... that trip to OLEAN is the pits. I can't be the only one who realized Olean is way harder to get to than Athens or Stow.
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Why would UC and UConn ever join a conference with the likes of EMU and Buffalo and all the other MAC riff raff?

They are much better off in there generic conference with USF/UCF/SMU and others. Even going independent would be a better solution for them. 


I agree, which is why I was serious when I asked if anyone knew if there was a real chance of forcing the riff raff out to bring in schools that actually contribute something to the conference as far as athletics go.  Anyone? 
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