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Posted: 3/16/2013 3:46 AM
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I have to say I love Gary Trent..he was a freak of an athlete..a monstrous powerful man..but little DJ Cooper has had EPIC moments in conference games and NCAA tournament games..as the POINT GUARD.  IF Dj Cooper leads this team to another MAC Championship he is neck and neck in my book as the greatest player in Ohio history. For every terrible shot he takes..can you remember anyone making more CLUTCH high pressure shots? Not in 20 years I've seen Ohio Basketball. COLD HEARTED LION HEARTED YOUNG MAN, WE have been lucky to witness him perform.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 8:25 AM
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There have been so many great players at Ohio that it's impossible to quantify who is the greatest but D.J. is definitely on the Mount Rushmore of Ohio basketball.   College basketball is a guard's game and D.J. is a man amongst boys out there.  Lost in all the numbers is how good he is at both ends of the court.   That three he hit after Western was an absolute dagger.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 10:28 AM
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did anyone else just know that DJ wasn't going to let the Cats lose last night? He had the gleam in his eye  that said - "i got this."

i think Walt and DJ are such strong leaders. I willed be shocked if the Cats don't win tonight. I know Akron is good. I just think knowing what needs done in March will propel the Bobcats tonight. unless of course they shoot like they did against Fiami.

loved the intensity i saw in the players last night. need to carry that for 40 minutes tonight. keep the foot on their throat. get into zeke's head. and pressure whoever is running point.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 11:49 AM
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Prisoner of the moment.

Gary Trent was a 3x MAC Player of the Year in a stronger MAC, and he was a future lottery pick to boot.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 1:44 PM
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With apologies to Baumholtz, Adams, Jackson, Skaggs, Graham, Jamerson, Hunter, Williams, etc., I think this is a two-horse race.  Trent and Cooper.  IMHO, Trent was the better/more dominant player; while, Cooper has had the best Career of any Ohio Men's Basketball Player.  I may be splitting hairs; but, there is a difference between Best Player and Best Career.  Maravich was a better college player than Laettner; but, Laettner had the better college career.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 1:46 PM
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DJ has had a marvelOUs senior year.  Which includes a drastic reduction in questionable shots.  And/or he hits some of those ('oh no' becomes 'thank you for saving us').
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Posted: 3/16/2013 1:54 PM
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'32 make a solid point, and one I'd have to agree with.

Monroe: It's something I've noticed as well. He's selecting somewhat better, but making a lot more. His three point percentage his freshman, sophomore, and junior years was between 29.9% and 31.9%, fairly consistent in a category where 33% is fairly average.

This year, he's at 37.1%. That's a huge jump.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 2:05 PM
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Every A.M. JC and DJ go through at least 30 minutes of shooting drills. It's obviously paid off. 
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Posted: 3/16/2013 3:58 PM
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Last night I thought, "There's not a single guard in the country right now I would rather have than DJ." I feel like he has no fear. Yes, I know what his numbers were for the UNC game last year, but I just feel like if we need something, he's going to get it done in a big game. I think he guarantees victory tonight. He'll leave the MAC a winner.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 4:36 PM
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Last night, beyond everything else, he hit 2-3 big 3balls and that drive for a little 4-5 foot lay-up along the baseline was M-O-N-E-Y CLUTCH.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 5:09 PM
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I'll let you know after tonight.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 8:23 PM
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mmmm.... yeah...
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Posted: 3/16/2013 9:05 PM
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ITS CRAZY HOW SOME SO CALLED OHIO 'FANS' WILL TAKE AN ATHLETE AND LABEL THEM A FAILURE FROM ONE GAME. DJ COOPER HAS TAKEN THIS TEAM ON HIS BACK MANY DAYS AND TODAY WASNT HIS DAY SOMEONE ELSE NEEDED TO STEP UP AND IT DID NOT HAPPEN. IN COOP WE STILL TRUST. GOOD LUCK YOUNG MAN IN PRO BASKETBALL!!!
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Posted: 3/16/2013 9:43 PM
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blitz-

I'm certainly not labeling him a failure and I don't think that anyone else is either. If they are, they're crazy. DJ's had a flat out killer career at Ohio. He's one of the best ever to play here. He led to great things including some awesome tourney wins. We ALL wish him the best in a pro career. We will all root for him always. The question in the post was whether he was the greatest player of all time at Ohio. I answered the way I did BEFORE this game and gave my opinion, which was basically that he's one of the best and if he led Ohio to another NCAA tourney I could consider him the best ever. He didn't. He's still in the top 1% of Ohio players of all time. That's pretty darn good.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 10:22 PM
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Judging a career by one game is silly.

DJ could have had 20 TO's tonight and it wouldn't have meant anything.

3 NCAA wins, 2 MAC tourney titles, 1 regular season title + all of his individual stats make him the greatest player IMO.

While Trent was likely the most talented player, he didn't stay as long as DJ. He also didn't pilot a team to the Sweet 16. That's not disparaging him in any way, just pointing out that DJ playing a full four years really separates him when discussing all-time careers.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 10:28 PM
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.. and as you yourself said in your opening post, if he won another MAC title, then he'd be "G.O.A.T.".  Well, he didn't win it for us, and we didn't win. 

He's not definitively the G.O.A.T. but you could call him another kind of goat for this one particular game.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 10:56 PM
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Face it, Akron took DJ out of the game with bigs and doubles on him.  The real story is our supporting cast couldn't help him out any against Akron.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 9:48 AM
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StevenHPerry wrote:expand_more
He's not definitively the G.O.A.T. but you could call him another kind of goat for this one particular game.


ARE YOU EFFING SERIOUS???????
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Posted: 3/17/2013 10:02 AM
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StevenHPerry wrote:expand_more
.. and as you yourself said in your opening post, if he won another MAC title, then he'd be "G.O.A.T.".  Well, he didn't win it for us, and we didn't win. 

He's not definitively the G.O.A.T. but you could call him another kind of goat for this one particular game.


If I said what I really want to say to you it will probably get deleted.

So I'll just say you're a jerk who should stop posting.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 11:03 AM
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I don't get the outrage.

BobcatBlitz said IF he won another title for us he'd be GOAT, which I took to mean "Greatest Of All Time" in Ohio Bobcat basketball history.  He didn't do it, so sticking to BobcatBlitz's own logic, he is not the G.O.A.T.

DJ has been and is awesome.  He certainly deserves to be up there with Gary Trent and we can debate who is the greatest.  But it is a debate, there is a question, everyone has some ground to stand on.

I was hinting at DJ being a scapegoat for this one game.  A scapegoat is someone who UNFAIRLY gets blamed for an event.  Sonny Troutman dribbling the ball out of bounds against Florida.  Bill Buckner.  Steve Bartman.  Chris Webber.  Lebron James (prior to 2012 anyway).

If you don't think some people are pointing fingers at DJ, you weren't watching the same game I was last night, listening to the same announcers, or reading the same BobcatAttack posts that I have been.

I will remember DJ and Ohio Basketball for the 2011-2012 season.  Even if we make a different tournament and win it all, I can't imagine it eclipsing last year.  Either way, I won't remember 3/16/13.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 11:11 AM
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bsj32 wrote:expand_more
With apologies to Baumholtz, Adams, Jackson, Skaggs, Graham, Jamerson, Hunter, Williams, etc., I think this is a two-horse race. Trent and Cooper. IMHO, Trent was the better/more dominant player; while, Cooper has had the best Career of any Ohio Men's Basketball Player. I may be splitting hairs; but, there is a difference between Best Player and Best Career. Maravich was a better college player than Laettner; but, Laettner had the better college career.
Keep in mind Trent's numbers were in a 3 year career!
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Posted: 3/17/2013 11:26 AM
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StevenHPerry wrote:expand_more
I don't get the outrage.


There is no outrage that you or anyone else doesn't think D.J. is the greatest of all time.  The outrage is calling him the goat.   Maybe it was just an offhand comment meant to be clever but if you think D.J. was the goat last night you don't realize what you were watching. Perhaps I'm (and probably athena) are being too sensative but with all the knee-jerk, Chicken LIttles, who only post after losses running around this morning it's got some of us frustrated.
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:23 AM
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I gave myself a timeout for the rest of the day yesterday. Thank you OUVan, for your comments.

Steven, I'm not much for criticizing players, but I think if a person is going to criticize, it should be constructive criticism, not name-calling.

That said, the front page of this forum was filled with negative threads yesterday morning so there were a number of places you could have chosen to post your "criticism." But no, you had to bump this particular thread back to the front page to make what I felt was a snide comment. THAT was the reason for my outrage.

I'm over it. On to the NIT and Denver.
Last Edited: 3/18/2013 8:23:54 AM by athena
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