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Andrew Ruck
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Posted: 3/20/2013 9:33 PM
As the resident BA minute obsessor...I must say these depth listings mean nothing, it all boils down to minutes.  Here is my very early, unfair, and mostly uneducated guess:

Willis - 25
Tayor - 15

Kellogg - 25
Hall - 20
Wingfield - 15
Johnson - 15
Wilkins - 15

Smith - 25
Ndour/Mompremier/Campbell #1 - 25
Ndour/Mompremier/Campbell #2 - 15
Ndour/Mompremier/Campbell #3 - 5
Green - 5
Setty - 5

Yes it adds up to 210...call it rounding.  I can't keep any of the freshmen off the rotation, but I do think 1 of the 3 big men will establish himself as a regular, one will be deemed not quite ready, and one will be somewhere in between.  I just have no idea where each of the 3 will fall individually.

As you can see, I actually don't think playing time will go up much at all for the returning players...and I still see a 9ish man rotation like this year.  TJ's foul troubles will keep him from averaging more than 20, Ricardo & Travis seem like more valuable bench/situational guys, and Stevie was unfortunate to have a legit transfer come in at his position.  I don't have any reason to think Green & Setty will be in the rotation, but I could be dead wrong.

But more than anything else, I just think this class (realizing Ndour is not actually the same "class) is very good.  Check out the recruiting board and look at the offers and interest this crew got.  And they are Christian recruits...I'm not saying coach will favor them because they're his guys consciously, but they may fit his approach better.

Who wouldve thought finding minutes for players would be this hard after we lost 4 great regulars.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 9:14 AM
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If your team is running a six-man rotation, it means those six players are studs. That's why they win more games.

I thought this year's rotation got unwieldy at times and wondered if Kellogg wouldn't have been a little better had the guard spots been a little less crowded. We'll find out next year, I guess. Ohio really needs Kellogg to step up if they want to win 22-24 games. I've said before I think either Johnson or Hall steps up and takes that three-spot by the scruff of the neck.

Making any pronouncements about Stevie Taylor is premature. He has an entire offseason. We've  been comparing him to D.J. Cooper. Compared to most point guards at this point of development, he's fine. At worst he's one of the MAC's best back-up point guards. At best, he takes that job.

I really like how Ohio plays when Jon Smith is on the floor, but I don't know if he's a five in Christian's system. It's going to be a bit of shock to see this team next year with how much it will be oriented towards the paint again.


Your post led me to think about two things:  1)  What is "Christian's system"?  I ask not as an insult, but because I really don't know.   2)  Along the lines of a comment I made earlier in the thread, maybe we'll be more post oriented, maybe not.  I like that the roster shows the ability to have multiple looks right now.




Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Who wouldve thought finding minutes for players would be this hard after we lost 4 great regulars.


We lost three great regulars, and one who was once really good as a sophomore/junior.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 10:15 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
If your team is running a six-man rotation, it means those six players are studs. That's why they win more games.

I thought this year's rotation got unwieldy at times and wondered if Kellogg wouldn't have been a little better had the guard spots been a little less crowded. We'll find out next year, I guess. Ohio really needs Kellogg to step up if they want to win 22-24 games. I've said before I think either Johnson or Hall steps up and takes that three-spot by the scruff of the neck.

Making any pronouncements about Stevie Taylor is premature. He has an entire offseason. We've  been comparing him to D.J. Cooper. Compared to most point guards at this point of development, he's fine. At worst he's one of the MAC's best back-up point guards. At best, he takes that job.

I really like how Ohio plays when Jon Smith is on the floor, but I don't know if he's a five in Christian's system. It's going to be a bit of shock to see this team next year with how much it will be oriented towards the paint again.


Your post led me to think about two things:  1)  What is "Christian's system"?  I ask not as an insult, but because I really don't know.   2)  Along the lines of a comment I made earlier in the thread, maybe we'll be more post oriented, maybe not.  I like that the roster shows the ability to have multiple looks right now.




Who wouldve thought finding minutes for players would be this hard after we lost 4 great regulars.


We lost three great regulars, and one who was once really good as a sophomore/junior.


I'm dumb as a post when it comes to the X's and O's of basketball — other than I hate the continual use of the flex from an aesthetic standpoint. Tim O'Shea's system bored me to death. I felt like I was watching a square dance that happened to have a basketball involved.

As for Christian, I'd bet he considers his system a balanced one that is really flexible to whatever skillset he has on the team. I'd bet that because every coach in their mind believes that their system is totally responsive and progressive and just the best, Jerry, the best. (Reminds me of talking to Wing-T football coaches telling me it was the best system to pass out of because the defense doesn't expect it. It's ludicrous, but coaches believe in their systems like new converts to a religion.)

Honestly,  I'm just going by what I saw when he was at Kent State. They were tough, scrappy almost to a fault and made sure the ball went through the post first. Maybe that was just because of his personnel at Kent, but it was  like an entire roster of Anderson Varejaos or Bill Laimbeers back then. Every player was thick. Substantial. No one was particularly skilled, but they were the guy who beat you to every loose ball, talked smack about your mom and then got YOU to pick up the technical foul. I'm just assuming that's what he'd want to build here.

Maybe not. Maybe he'll stun me and run a three-guard attack. I doubt it, though. Or maybe my memory of those Kent State teams is flawed because I was too busy screaming at Nate Gerwig about his lack of personal hygiene and human decency from the OZone. I don't know.
Last Edited: 3/21/2013 10:21:36 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Posted: 3/21/2013 10:32 AM
PG: Willis, Taylor
SG: Kellogg, Wilkins, Wingfield
SF: Hall, Johnson, Wingfield, Setty
PF: N'dour, Setty, Campbell
C: Smith, Green, Mompremier

Random Toughts

This is 'tilly's chart...and I like it the best....although Ruck's minutes thing is where it's at.

N'dour and Smith on the floor at the same time could give us the inside D we sometimes lack.

I like Wingfield best at SF. 

Taylor did look good with DJ on the floor at the same time and we should try that with him and Willis.....what you talkin about.....couldn't resist.

Green needs to step up or he'll be pickin splinters again next year.

Setty as a starter or first man up should give us quality points that we lose with this years seniors.

I know some complained about 10 playin last year but I count ten again...and maybe 11 if Green steps it up.  Hopefully some guys amongst these 11 will garner most of the minutes for some team consistency.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 10:35 AM
If you were the coach for next year and had a starter that played in 34 games, averaged 25.6 minutes a game and got 7 offensive rebounds the entire year in 870 minutes of playing time would you start him? Unless he played a Munchkin in The Wizard of Oz I say that person is lost on the court. I'm 60 but in 870 minutes of playing time I'd quit if that was my season total.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 10:41 AM
Did Green ever fully heal this past season? Or was his disappearance due to other issues?
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Posted: 3/21/2013 1:37 PM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
If you were the coach for next year and had a starter that played in 34 games, averaged 25.6 minutes a game and got 7 offensive rebounds the entire year in 870 minutes of playing time would you start him? Unless he played a Munchkin in The Wizard of Oz I say that person is lost on the court. I'm 60 but in 870 minutes of playing time I'd quit if that was my season total.


If I tell a guy to stand on the perimeter on offense, and tell him his first responsibility is getting back on defense then I do not care if he gets any offensive rebounds. That's not his job to. 
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Posted: 3/21/2013 3:24 PM
Anybody else excited about Jon Smith getting more minutes next year?  Could benefit from gaining some strength over the off-season, but nonetheless I can see him having a big year. 
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Posted: 3/21/2013 3:35 PM
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Anybody else excited about Jon Smith getting more minutes next year?  Could benefit from gaining some strength over the off-season, but nonetheless I can see him having a big year. 


I am.  He was looking better as the year went on.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 3:57 PM
The athleticism on our frontcourt next year is going to be a lot of fun to watch. If it is Jon Smith and Maurice N'Dour starting next to each other we are going to see a lot of blocks and dunks.
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