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Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 3/25/2013 12:15 AM
I'm going to call one on myself.

So, traveling and palming are not lost in history and memory.

Because, apparently, refs aren't ever going to call it again.  Hint:  it is impossible to switch directions with the ball in one's hand without stopping the ball from going the direction that it was headed in before the switch of directions.  That stopping of the ball in one's hand is a stop (really).  A re-start in another direction is an illegal re-start identifed as 'traveling' or 'palming.'  If they'll let you get away with that move or the both-feet-jump start to your drive (also traveling), then there ain't no way that I can defense you.
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Posted: 3/25/2013 6:53 AM
Bob Knight once did a piece during an ESPN broadcast showing the various ways players travel and get away with it, not only on drives but also backing against other players.  College ball is truly an NBA game these days.
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Posted: 3/25/2013 9:04 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
College ball is truly an NBA game these days.


I wouldn't quite go that far. Generally, guys still aren't allowed to take four steps while going up for a dunk.

One other rule that seems to be relaxed to me is continuation. I've seen quite a few baskets counted where a guy gets fouled, takes another dribble through the contact and then shoots cleanly to get an and-one.
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Posted: 3/25/2013 10:44 AM
I'm out of my element with basketball, but this topic is of interest to me. One rule interpretation at the high school level (and younger) drives me crazy: Refs don't seem to call "reaching in" once a player clearly regains possession after a loose ball. An opposing player seems to "reach in" to grab the ball, and the ref, without fail, calls "jump ball." As  result, coaches teach youth players to always reach in and grab the ball to draw the "jump ball." Fifty percent of the time, you get the possession arrow.

Seems like this is a change from when I was a kid, but don't know for sure.
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Posted: 3/25/2013 11:15 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
I'm out of my element with basketball, but this topic is of interest to me. One rule interpretation at the high school level (and younger) drives me crazy: Refs don't seem to call "reaching in" once a player clearly regains possession after a loose ball. An opposing player seems to "reach in" to grab the ball, and the ref, without fail, calls "jump ball." As  result, coaches teach youth players to always reach in and grab the ball to draw the "jump ball." Fifty percent of the time, you get the possession arrow.

Seems like this is a change from when I was a kid, but don't know for sure.


That seems especially true in the younger AAU levels.  Kids are allowed to plow through kids to get the ball.  It's almost like the soccer slide tackle rule. As long as you touch the ball first it doesn't matter what happens after that.   I'm all for teaching good aggressive defense, and there is some benefit to the ballhandler learning how to protect the ball, but when a kid gets knocked down hard to the ground over and over it borders on ridiculous.
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Posted: 3/25/2013 11:38 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
I'm out of my element with basketball, but this topic is of interest to me. One rule interpretation at the high school level (and younger) drives me crazy: Refs don't seem to call "reaching in" once a player clearly regains possession after a loose ball. An opposing player seems to "reach in" to grab the ball, and the ref, without fail, calls "jump ball." As  result, coaches teach youth players to always reach in and grab the ball to draw the "jump ball." Fifty percent of the time, you get the possession arrow.

Seems like this is a change from when I was a kid, but don't know for sure.


That seems especially true in the younger AAU levels.  Kids are allowed to plow through kids to get the ball.  It's almost like the soccer slide tackle rule. As long as you touch the ball first it doesn't matter what happens after that.   I'm all for teaching good aggressive defense, and there is some benefit to the ballhandler learning how to protect the ball, but when a kid gets knocked down hard to the ground over and over it borders on ridiculous.


And the trickle down theory of basketball......

which is why I put the post up regarding "taking Flagrants".....can't wait till some Bobby Knight wannabe coach at the 5th grade level tells his kid to send a message to a kid who is tearing them up. Getting away from fundamentals at the lower levels is why a college level ref that was at out selection sunday party said...."you can't call it any more because NO ONE knows how to dribble the way we were taught"
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Posted: 3/25/2013 12:07 PM
Thanks to you both. I agree it's probably more common at the AAU level. It drives me crazy because many times, you get continuous "jump ball" calls through the course of the game, and clearly you would need to foul in order to gain possession.
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Posted: 3/25/2013 2:22 PM
That's happened already, borna...

Also, reaching in isn't a foul. Illegal contact is. As long as you're not making illegal contact, you can reach in all you want. I assume this is what you meant, but I wanted to be clear.
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Posted: 3/25/2013 3:51 PM
Yes, the illegal contact is what I'm talking about. However, I thought there was a foul, at one time, called "reaching in"? Whether or not that's true, the point is, in order for the opponent to get hands on the basketball, they would almost certainly have to make contact.

Here's the scenario (picture youth ball): One kid scrambles to gain possession of a loose ball, which he does. He stands with ball tucked into his belly and waiting for traffic to clear. Opposing player "reaches in" to grab ball, but it would be nearly impossible to grab the ball without making contact. Ref blows "jump ball."
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