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Posted: 3/22/2013 4:36 PM
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With Ohio losing 4 guys that played a lot of minutes over the last few years, I thought it would be interesting to take a look at the other teams in the league to see what they are losing in terms of minutes per game:

Akron
Marshall (28), Gilliam (15), Walsh (24)
Total: 67

Ball State
Scaife (33), Fields, (15)
Total:48

Bowling Green
Crawford (35), Kraus (24), Erger (10), Calhoun (34)
Total: 103

Buffalo
Watson (35), Sebuharara (9)
Total: 44

CMU
Craddock (14), Randall (35), Mbaigoto (17), Saylor (11)
Total:77

EMU
Thompson (24), Harris (20), Balkema (12)
Total: 56

Kent
Holt (32), Evans (33)
Total:65

Fiami
Legarza (10)
Total: 10

NIU
Hayes (2), Nixon (8)
Total: 10

OHIO
Cooper (32), Offutt (31), Keely (23), Baltic (25), McKinley (2)
Total: 111

Toledo
Buckley (32)
Total: 32

WMU
Pokley (28), Hutcheson (30), Loney (7)
Total: 65

Last Edited: 3/22/2013 11:44:19 PM by crackerbaby00
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Posted: 3/22/2013 4:46 PM
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crackerbaby00 wrote:expand_more
Akron
Marshall (28), Gilliam (15)
Total: 43


You forgot Walsh as well. And you could also throw in Abreu, IMO.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 5:03 PM
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bobcat72 wrote:expand_more
Akron
Marshall (28), Gilliam (15)
Total: 43


You forgot Walsh as well. And you could also throw in Abreu, IMO.


Walsh is a jr.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 5:28 PM
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Posted: 3/22/2013 5:36 PM
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My bad! Was using the zips roster on espn as my guide.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 7:09 PM
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I used ESPN too
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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:42 PM
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Chris Evans is a Senior isn't he?  And I thought Pope was a Junior.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 10:03 PM
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Chris Evans is a Senior isn't he?  And I thought Pope was a Junior.


I did miss Evans somehow.  ESPN has Pope as a senior...I have not checked Kent's website yet
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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:38 PM
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Pope is a junior.

Seems like everything else is correct.

This just goes to show now to use ESPN.com as an official source, although I realize they make easier to access everything quicker. They often have errors in box scores too.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:49 AM
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No read Walsh's bio. He is a redshirt senior...he should have another season of eligibility, since he sat out the entire 2010-2011 season transferring from Xavier. 

Also Treadwell is a redshirt junior, having sat out his freshman year to focus on academics. However, he has two more years left of eligibility. 
Last Edited: 3/23/2013 1:49:33 AM by eagles3217
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Posted: 3/23/2013 10:08 AM
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No read Walsh's bio. He is a redshirt senior...he should have another season of eligibility, since he sat out the entire 2010-2011 season transferring from Xavier. 

Also Treadwell is a redshirt junior, having sat out his freshman year to focus on academics. However, he has two more years left of eligibility. 

Walsh was a senior this past year.  He has played his last game as a Zip. (www.ohio.com/sports/zips/zips-basketball-brian-walsh-sick-about-how-ua-career-ended-1.383615)

You are correct about Treadwell.  He will be tough over the next two years.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 10:49 AM
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eagles3217 wrote:expand_more


Also Treadwell is a redshirt junior, having sat out his freshman year to focus on academics.


It's Akron....seems like there is a punchline waiting to happen.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 11:53 AM
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Of course, this includes only seniors, but since something above 30 percent of D1 players transfer every year, we dont have a complete picture of what it will look like next year. Granted, many of the transfers don't play a lot of minutes but then again that's true of some seniors as well. Any guesses about any Ohio changes?
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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:02 PM
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l. Any guesses about any Ohio changes?


I would be shocked. Don't really see it....... barring grades or criminal activity.

GOODMAN'S list is always entertaining.. I t is growing larger every year.......

445 last year  and ended up over 500 players  up steadily from finally topping 300 in 2008. Less than 350 D 1 schools means schools lose a bit more than one player a year. That is insane. Have long said we need to a better job getting kids inthe right situations to begin with and stabilizing them once they are there.

Interesting blog on the phenom

A big disparity still exists between graduation rates of balck and white athletes. Blacks graduate 60% less than white counterparts. I did not look at the race situation on the transfer list as it just hit now as I was posting this as a thought. MOst of the kids I know that left a school had a common theme.... "I went to play ball and I wasn't........ (finish this any way you want form the myriad of reasons)......"

No son, you went to get a degree and pay for it by playing ball. As long as kids, parents, handlers and AAU/HS coaches continue to propogate that a kid is going to school to play ball and it is ingrained in a culture (my boy gonna have a shot at the league, he might be one and done...)  then this problem is going to keep growing.

Best conversation I ever heard was a coach telling a kid who had a Butler ride but was waiting for a BIg Ten offer....."son, you want to be in a place you love.....when your shot is not falling, coach is crawling up your behind and your PT is waning, your GF just dropped you and your parents are barking about what you need to do.....you want to wake up look around and really love where you are.....Take the Butler scholly and run"

He did and loved it. I wish that for every kid who accepts a D1 offer. .

When I look at the seniors on this original poster's list I have to say that most of them made the best of their years at the place where they finished.....and Add.....those guys at OHIO had a wonderful experience that will serve them well for years to come in many ways.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:34 PM
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Borna, I'm sure you right about the numbers, I guess I'm thinking about over a career rather than per year . Anyway we always seem to have 3-4 transfers on the roster lately, and it seems like a lot more than 1 a year transferring out the last 5 years or so. Anyway, I would be surprised if no one transferred out based on recent history.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:48 PM
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Borna, I'm sure you right about the numbers, I guess I'm thinking about over a career rather than per year . Anyway we always seem to have 3-4 transfers on the roster lately, and it seems like a lot more than 1 a year transferring out the last 5 years or so. Anyway, I would be surprised if no one transferred out based on recent history.


In are Bubba, Waters,  Bassett, Offutt, Smith.....under TOS and Groce. Who else am I missing?

Going out is Dobbs, Jacobs, Waters, Goard, Kinney, Coleman.Pearson, Kellogg since 2008.....not counting funerals before that .....

like I said. I do not see it this year.....and manyt of those who left had a reason related to the aforementioned criminal/discipline or academics.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 2:12 PM
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I was thinking more recent as well with Setty, Willis, Green and Mitchell, Horne for a couple more. Just seems like a lot , but there's been 2 coaching changes so that may be mostly responsible.
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Posted: 3/28/2013 4:36 PM
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Leading scorer from Northern Illinois, Abdel Nader, is transferring out of the program. He was only a Sophomore this year. 
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Posted: 3/29/2013 9:25 AM
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Also Treadwell is a redshirt junior, having sat out his freshman year to focus on academics. However, he has two more years left of eligibility. 


Treadwell was a non-qualifier.  He will only get the fifth year of eligibility if he graduates on time (Same with Harney I believe).  Nothing to indicate he won't though.

He had a really rough time in High School up here in Euclid, even leaving school for a bit.  I remember an article in the Plain Dealer about him.  He worked to get his very low GPA up to a point where he could attend a D1 school.  I have used him as an example of not giving up when things get tough to some of the kids I coached.  As much as I dislike the Zips, I do like his story.
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Posted: 3/29/2013 11:42 AM
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Leading scorer from Northern Illinois, Abdel Nader, is transferring out of the program. He was only a Sophomore this year. 


He'll be a nice transfer target for a bunch of schools.  Man, NIU continues to be an awful program.  I actually with him, they'd turned the corner and were getting better.
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Posted: 3/29/2013 2:46 PM
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Leading scorer from Northern Illinois, Abdel Nader, is transferring out of the program. He was only a Sophomore this year. 


Coach Montgomery wishes him the best in his future endeavors.
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Posted: 4/12/2013 3:51 PM
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Posted: 4/12/2013 4:04 PM
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Note the extremes in parting statements from UT's Holiday and UM's Roberts. One classy, one not so.
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Posted: 4/12/2013 9:00 PM
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Looks like the feeling is pretty mutual.
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