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shabamon
8/10/2023 9:14 AM
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2023/8/9/23826258/chicago...

"Chicago State lands former 5-star twins Matt and Ryan Bewley"
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FJC31
8/10/2023 9:35 AM
I live in a Chicago and this is fascinating. The campus looks more like a college prep academy than an actual university and is closer to Hammond, IN than it is Chicago. Read the twins’ HS coach is brother of Chicago State’s coach. So it makes sense, but it also doesn’t at all.
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shabamon
8/10/2023 9:55 AM
Apparently these guys were on Overtime Elite's pro path and not the college path. It is possible they received payment to play on this path and they'd be ineligible, but I'd think the burden of proof that they were paid is on the NCAA.
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giacomo
9/1/2023 8:32 PM
If they did get money, good for them. Glad to see smaller schools getting top talent.
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GraffZ06
9/2/2023 12:21 AM
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If they did get money, good for them. Glad to see smaller schools getting top talent.

Maybe they can sign an NIL deal to get some of that Vegas gambling money too. Why not right?
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giacomo
9/2/2023 8:49 AM
Why not? Walter Byars devised the “student athlete” model in the 1950s and its outmoded in the current generation. Schools leaving conferences chasing money and coaches compensation tell me the players should be in on the action.
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shabamon
11/3/2023 3:35 PM
In very unsurprising news...

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/3...

Gotta say, I'm with the NCAA on this one.
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OhioCatFan
11/3/2023 10:35 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
In very unsurprising news...

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/3...

Gotta say, I'm with the NCAA on this one.
Not, me! I don't like the whole NIL concept, but I think these kids are being penalized basically for something that would have been legal if phrased differently, or if they had signed up a year later after the organization changed the wording of its documents. Also, I suspect that if this had happened to a P6 student-athlete-entrepreneur-semi-pro that the NCAA would not have made a ruling of this type and would have issued some kind of a waiver.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/4/2023 8:11 PM
After what the Supreme Court shared in a ruling, the NCAA should be terrified of anybody who is willing to challenge this in court. And Overtime Elite has the funding and incentive to do it.

Here's Kavanaugh: "The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes in the concurring opinion. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood.”

NCAA is playing with fire here. And for what? Let kids play basketball and earn money off of their own hard work.
Last Edited: 11/4/2023 8:14:10 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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BillyTheCat
11/5/2023 8:06 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
After what the Supreme Court shared in a ruling, the NCAA should be terrified of anybody who is willing to challenge this in court. And Overtime Elite has the funding and incentive to do it.

Here's Kavanaugh: "The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes in the concurring opinion. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood.”

NCAA is playing with fire here. And for what? Let kids play basketball and earn money off of their own hard work.
Is it the NCAA or the wants/needs of the individual schools?
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/5/2023 10:27 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
After what the Supreme Court shared in a ruling, the NCAA should be terrified of anybody who is willing to challenge this in court. And Overtime Elite has the funding and incentive to do it.

Here's Kavanaugh: "The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes in the concurring opinion. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood.”

NCAA is playing with fire here. And for what? Let kids play basketball and earn money off of their own hard work.
Is it the NCAA or the wants/needs of the individual schools?
What's the difference? One's the governing body for the other.

The business model is illegal either way, and when kids challenged in the courts -- and that's just a matter of time -- that'll be codified.
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BillyTheCat
11/6/2023 12:37 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
After what the Supreme Court shared in a ruling, the NCAA should be terrified of anybody who is willing to challenge this in court. And Overtime Elite has the funding and incentive to do it.

Here's Kavanaugh: "The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes in the concurring opinion. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood.”

NCAA is playing with fire here. And for what? Let kids play basketball and earn money off of their own hard work.
Is it the NCAA or the wants/needs of the individual schools?
What's the difference? One's the governing body for the other.

The business model is illegal either way, and when kids challenged in the courts -- and that's just a matter of time -- that'll be codified.

To be codified, you mean having Congress actually act? Don't hold your breath.
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