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Posted: 5/11/2013 9:06 AM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story...

Makes me wonder about Rutgers.  Rice and the now it seems a good idea to bring back Eddie Jordan, 2004 inductee into the "Rutgers Hall of Distinguished Alumni," only it seems he never graduated.

Are the lights on over there?
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Posted: 5/12/2013 4:29 AM
He doesn't need a degree. He's still an alum, and he probably deserves distinction.
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Posted: 5/12/2013 10:15 AM
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He doesn't need a degree. He's still an alum, and he probably deserves distinction.


That's true, but their postings for other coaching jobs all require a bachelor's degree. At the very least, it's extremely embarrassing, as they didn't exactly have to go far to verify the degree they said he had in their own media announcement.
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Posted: 5/12/2013 3:34 PM
I'd argue those jobs don't need one, either.
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Posted: 5/12/2013 4:26 PM
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I'd argue those jobs don't need one, either.
 

So someone providing instruction at an institution of higher learning should not require a degree from an institution of higher learning? That's deeply cynical.

I'm not so naive as to think that coaches are tutoring kids, or that "student" is even particularly prominent in student-athlete, but the buck stops with them when it comes to APR and other basic academic standards. If we're going to maintain the gossamer thin connection with the actual academic function of a university, I think an undergraduate degree isn't too much to ask of a coach.
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Posted: 5/12/2013 7:35 PM
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I'd argue those jobs don't need one, either.
 

So someone providing instruction at an institution of higher learning should not require a degree from an institution of higher learning? That's deeply cynical.


How is it cynical? I don't believe "sports coach" is a job that requires a degree. If anything, it's pragmatic.

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If we're going to maintain the gossamer thin connection with the actual academic function of a university, I think an undergraduate degree isn't too much to ask of a coach.


I don't think you necessarily need a degree to be a professor at a university, either, if your life experience trumps a diploma. Colleges and universities are not just about the degree. The degree isn't what everyone needs from these institutions and not everyone gets what they need from a degree. It's uncommon, sure, but we can point to an awful lot of people who were in college for a bit, got what they needed out of it, didn't finish, and were successful. Reggie Theus doesn't have a degree from what I can tell. That hasn't stopped him from success at NMSU and getting a job at CS-Fullerton.
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Posted: 5/12/2013 8:18 PM
If the assistants are required to have a degree, the HC should also be required to have one.
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Posted: 5/13/2013 7:12 AM
Obviously this story is getting a lot of coverage out here.

There are a few interestiing points that are still getting hashed out.

1.Apparently,Jordan's resume doesn't say he was an R.U. graduate.
    He also said that ,since he went to R.U. he didn't submit a transcript,since they had it.
   The comment that he had a degree came from the University.
    So at least no one is accusing the coach of lying about his qualifications.

2.Jordan claims he finished all the classes he needed for his degree,but becuase of a problem with his  
    registering he didn't get credit for the classes he needed to get a diploma.

3.R.U. claims there were privacy issues with seeing certain parts of Jordan's records.But most people feel that   
    knowing who your graduates are is a no brainer and if there are privacy issues with parts of his record,get    
    permission from Jordan to have them released.

4.Accordinging to the news reports,the job description does indicate that a degree is required,but that the
    University can waive that requirement.
    Jordan was not R.U.'s first,or from what the press has said,second or third choice for coach.Now that they 
    finally have a coach, R.U. wants to keep him,even if they have to "bend" certain rules.
    Its also interesting to note that R.U. is still losing players either by transfer or decommiting.
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Posted: 5/13/2013 11:24 AM

I don't see the problem.  From all accounts, Eddie Jordan has handled himself well at all levels. As far as I know he's not being asked to teach biology.  He's being asked to coach basketball, which he has done successfully at the highest level.  Mike Rice has a degree.

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Posted: 5/13/2013 7:20 PM
FWIW we still require our HIGH SCHOOL coaches to have a degree and teaching certificate in Indiana unless there is a special circumstance that is granted a one or two year exception. Many other states have gone to lay coaches but the IHSAA seems to be holding the line firmly stating that there is much to "having a mentor in the school that has adequate background in education and familiarity with methods of teaching".

I see the difference in lay coaches and those with degrees in education in my travels. I was exposed to the programs at WOrcester when Tommy was over there and had the opportunity to talk to the profs and students in the coaching undergrad and masters programs. \

www.worcester.ac.uk/journey/european-basketball-coaching-science-msc.html

www.worc.ac.uk/courses/sports-coaching-msc.html

I did notice OHIO has a Coaching Masters in place as well

coaching-athleticadministration.ohio.edu/

It is not just basketball and I think that the degree has some validity. It is pretty hard to go into a recruits home and talk to mom and dad about the value of a degeree and the path to that degree when you never finished your own.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 12:19 PM
And it apparently continues with the hiring of Hermann as AD.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 4:11 PM
LA Times sports section the other day identified Vanderbilt as having the AD with the highest salary.

Vanderbilt?
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Posted: 5/27/2013 12:58 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
And it apparently continues with the hiring of Hermann as AD.


15 players submit a letter to your boss claiming you called them whores and mentally disabled and you have no recollection of it? Really?
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Posted: 5/27/2013 11:42 AM
Rutgers alums must be seething.  This administration can't seem to do anything right.




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Posted: 5/27/2013 12:51 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
And it apparently continues with the hiring of Hermann as AD.


I love this comment on that article from Buckeye Extra:

"OTTIE OLD VET IS SHOWING HIS HATE FIRST GHETTOES IN COLUMBUS AND BLACK PEOPLE NOT PAYING TAXES AND NOT BEING ABLE TO READ TO VOTE NOW THE BLACK AD AT OHIO STATE HE NEEDS TO STOP CALLING HIMSELF THE OLD VET AND SAY THE OLD HATER I KNOW HE HATES OBAMA WHO GOT US IN THE WAR IN IRAG WITH THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION TEA PARTY GOP."


smart take.

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Posted: 5/27/2013 2:46 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
FWIW we still require our HIGH SCHOOL coaches to have a degree and teaching certificate in Indiana unless there is a special circumstance that is granted a one or two year exception. Many other states have gone to lay coaches but the IHSAA seems to be holding the line firmly stating that there is much to "having a mentor in the school that has adequate background in education and familiarity with methods of teaching".

I see the difference in lay coaches and those with degrees in education in my travels. I was exposed to the programs at WOrcester when Tommy was over there and had the opportunity to talk to the profs and students in the coaching undergrad and masters programs. \

www.worcester.ac.uk/journey/european-basketball-coaching-science-msc.html

www.worc.ac.uk/courses/sports-coaching-msc.html

I did notice OHIO has a Coaching Masters in place as well

coaching-athleticadministration.ohio.edu/

It is not just basketball and I think that the degree has some validity. It is pretty hard to go into a recruits home and talk to mom and dad about the value of a degree and the path to that degree when you never finished your own.


What he said!  +1
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Posted: 5/27/2013 3:29 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
And it apparently continues with the hiring of Hermann as AD.


You would think coaches who have abused athletes would find themselves in another line of work.  I wonder about Rutgers, but, how did she remain responsible for athletes post Tennessee?
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Posted: 5/28/2013 10:01 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
And it apparently continues with the hiring of Hermann as AD.


You would think coaches who have abused athletes would find themselves in another line of work.  I wonder about Rutgers, but, how did she remain responsible for athletes post Tennessee?


She is in a new line of work.  Administration versus Coaching.  My issue with her the self denial.  Admit past transgressions as a coach, redirect the critics with recent expierience of being a good administrator and any accomplishments you can list.   
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Posted: 5/29/2013 11:17 PM
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And it apparently continues with the hiring of Hermann as AD.


You would think coaches who have abused athletes would find themselves in another line of work.  I wonder about Rutgers, but, how did she remain responsible for athletes post Tennessee?


She is in a new line of work.  Administration versus Coaching.  My issue with her the self denial.  Admit past transgressions as a coach, redirect the critics with recent experience of being a good administrator and any accomplishments you can list.   


Hell no!! Administration of the IRS would be a new line.  Fail at coaching and move up to supervision of coaching. Perhaps Tennessee somehow let her leave as if everything was great.  Perhaps, if she is a good hire, Tennessee should take her back, but, Rutgers does not fix anything with this hire.
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Posted: 5/30/2013 12:14 AM
This AD search would have had more credibility had it been conducted as part of a reality show on TV. Apprentice style.
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Posted: 5/31/2013 4:46 PM
In regards to the Herman debacle, what was not mentioned in all the baggage that was brought up in her past, is that  the Pitino scandal occured on her watch at Louisville and that administration chose to look the other way. They chose winning over integrity. I'm not saying she was a big part of that event, but she came from a place that condones winning at all cost and that, with all the other information available about her, should had led Rutgers to take a pass on her.
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