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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:28 AM

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Good article that implores Matta to schedule more games against OHIO in the future and basically calling it a travesty it took 19 years for the next meeting. Was nice that it also seemed to imply that he thought more games in general against teams from Ohio would make the tOSU non-conf more enjoyable.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:32 AM

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I was about to post the same article. What I think is funny are the O$U fans that defend Matta's NOT scheduling in state teams. Frankly, there's no excuse for any of the in state schools not to schedule each other more. Let's be honest, all fans would rather watch their team, be it Ohio, Dayton, or Ohio State, play teams that are local. Teams where they have friends and family that might have gone to those schools.

I criticise Matta & Co. for not having the guts to play more games like this, but it doesn't fall just on them. It also falls on every other coach in the state and/or the region to play more non-conf games like last night.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:07 PM

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Nice article

not sure it willchange anything but thanks for posting'

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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:11 PM

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It could lead to discussion though which could change things.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:38 PM

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From a fan standpoint and not necessarily an RPI standpoint, I would rather see us host Cleveland State or Wright State than Mercer or Tennessee-Martin.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:47 PM

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From a fan standpoint and not necessarily an RPI standpoint, I would rather see us host Cleveland State or Wright State than Mercer or Tennessee-Martin.

+1. Frankly, if we're going to have games like that every year, why not play those two schools annually? I know it takes two to tango, but it doesn't make a lot of sense not to play more often.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:50 PM

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I think there's a lot of reasons why a regular scheduling between the two schools would be beneficial for both teams but it looks like the Buckeyes are too cool to play road games and I'm just not as excited about playing them regularly if they won't come to Athens. It's not like football where we don't have the facilities to match up, the Convo is big enough.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 1:01 PM

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As long as we are associated with the MAC, losing to us at home brings the stigma that "you lost to a MAC team." It is possible that the MAC improves or that we can develop our program to the point where people don't associate our name with our conference (a la Butler or Gonzaga) but until then I understand exactly why OSU doesn't want to schedule us.

Yeah, fans and players like it. But it isn't good for their brand. Too much risk for them and there are less risky ways to please players and fans than putting your program's brand on the line.

I wouldn't play us if I am OSU. Yeah, they are scared. Not because they don't think they can compete, but because if we do compete with them they have a lot to lose.

Edit: and I am just talking about us going to cbus. No chance they play a MAC team in what would surely be an incredibly hostile environment. What do they have to gain in providing us with a great home game and rowdy atmosphere? Our respect that they went on the road to a MAC school? They are going on the road to a Big East school. That game is the smart scheduling move. They can lose and it doesn't cost them much long-term...

OSU isn't going to do us any favors. They want to steal our brand. Playing us only legitimizes us.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 1:06 PM

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and once again I beat the drum

Till you make them play true road games you should expand the toruney to 128 and include the regular season champs of the conferences that have to go into the Big 6 arenas who will always get the home ref advantage that has been shown to exist in NCAA hoops

Once you force them out of the friendly confines there is some parity for both school.....and that does mean kansas playing in the SPrint Center and alloting 200 tix to the visiting team.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 1:07 PM

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It was big enough for Rick Mount & Purdue.

Oh, but given the outcome it would be a poor selling point to O$U, so don't mention it to them.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 1:29 PM

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I never understood in basketball the aversion to scheduling tough games. It's a long season, Tom Izzo has proven the benefits of scheduling hard in the non-conf to toughen up his teams for Big Ten play. And it usually doesn't hurt them too much on their seeding either.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 2:09 PM

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I completely agree with this. A few months back, I even mentioned the idea of REQUIRING Schools that are top half RPI schools to schedule two road games a year against bottom half RPI schools. Or apply it to the Big 6, etc.

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And this is why most true hoops fans love Izzo. His approach of playing anyone, anytime, anywhere is why his teams are so dang tough to beat in February and March.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 2:17 PM

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Play this series every year and move it between the Q, Nationwide, and US Bank arena. That would be fun.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 2:21 PM

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It was big enough for Rick Mount & Purdue.

Oh, but given the outcome it would be a poor selling point to O$U, so don't mention it to them.

the Convo is absolutely big enough to host a home game with Ohio State. They just don't have big enough nuts to schedule the game like Patino did. After Ohio played them tough 3 straight times he had the guts to do it. As for the Convo, the old girl could use a little TLC in the form of some paint and new seats. It's a great venue!

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Posted: 11/13/2013 2:28 PM

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It was big enough for Rick Mount & Purdue.

Oh, but given the outcome it would be a poor selling point to O$U, so don't mention it to them.

And better scoreboards, lighting, and audio/video systems.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 5:08 PM

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100% agreed. Why would Thad Matta play anywhere he has a chance to lose unless he's forced to? It would be a fair and equitable gesture for them to come to Athens but why would they want to be fair and equitable when the reward isn't worth the risk?

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Posted: 11/13/2013 8:44 PM

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On 97.1 this evening on the "Buckeye Show" which is really just a general talk show, Bobby Carpenter and the host were talking about the game last night and had a ton of positive things to say about Ohio. They specifically commented on Kellogg and Stevie and said they wished that this game was played more often because of the great energy in the building from fans of both teams. They were very complementary of Ohio and said that it was a quality win for OSU since Ohio is a good team.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 9:42 PM

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Well...Pitino made the promise, but he didn't have to keep it, he had left Kentucky by the time they came to Athens. However, Kentucky did play at least one "neutral site" game against us in Cincinnati. I think he was still coach during that time.

Some of the blame for OSU avoiding road games in-state can be on Toledo. They got to host OSU in mid-to-late 90's and made it an over-the-top spectacle which included an indoor firework show that created so much smoke that they delayed the game and had to open up all the doors to allow smoke to clear which, I believe, then created condensation issues on the floor. It was a disaster, including a loss.

In addition to Bob Hunter, the 97.1 Fan boys during the afternoon show (Anthony Rothman and whoever) were very high on OSU scheduling Ohio regularly. They felt the proximity of the universities and high Ohio alumni base warranted more frequent games. Personally, I don't see OSU's argument that this is a "no win" game for them. They only have to be an average Big Ten team and they get an NCAA bid. A loss to Ohio won't be the one game that keeps them out the NCAA tournament. They aren't going to lose recruits to Ohio because of a loss. The top recruits will still go to OSU. I know football's a little different story due to the fewer games and their already present national image of weak SOS.

I think it'd be cool if they could at least do 2-for-1 with the return game being "neutral" game giving Ohio fans/band a chance to be more involved in game.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 11:42 PM

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Borna--I don't recall (my miss?) you connecting up the expand the tourney thought with the 'makes 'em play away from home' thought.

I totally, 100% agree with you.

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Posted: 11/14/2013 1:48 AM

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[you should expand the toruney to 128

I'm completely against this. March madness is the most trilling, popular, exciting, tournament in the world.

Why mess with perfection?

Can anybody honestly say they don't love the NCAA tourney to death.

I can't think of one complaint against it. If you keep adding games people won't watch and it will become boring and dragged out like baseball.

Plus if you add too many teams it will ruin the importance of conference tourneys. The mid major tourneys are probably the most popular because major conference tourneys don't mean anything. Most teams are already a shoe in for the tournament and have nothing to play for. The MAC tourney however.... It's one of the most exciting events of the season. Add 128 teams and that will be ruined

While I'm on the MAC tourney does anyone have the video of the Leon Williams tip in. I've been searching the web for it and can't find it

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Posted: 11/14/2013 2:03 AM

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Bandit--Y'know how you can't find that video? It's the same way that no one can find an in-state home game vs. the jr institution in columbus. I don't at all think that the tournament would be diminshed by adding one more round--prob would be even more fun. How do you think one more round would hurt it?

Plus, the majors do need to go on the road, espec against the alleged lesser lights. If increase to 128 does that, I'm for it.

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Posted: 11/14/2013 8:35 AM

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I agree with Monroe & Borna - one more round or game isn't going to hurt anything. It won't diminish the importance of conference tournaments because there will still be a bunch of teams that had rough years (read OU in 2010) that are hungry to get in the dance.

That said, if the NCAA truly valued competition (we know they don't) they would in some fashion require a minimum number of road games or max number of home games during non-conference play.

EDIT -- in adding to that thought, am I correct in saying that in the Commonwealth, the governor at one time 'required' Louisville and UK to play each other? Why shouldn't that be the norm in all states?

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Posted: 11/14/2013 9:33 AM

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Personally, I don't see OSU's argument that this is a "no win" game for them. They only have to be an average Big Ten team and they get an NCAA bid. A loss to Ohio won't be the one game that keeps them out the NCAA tournament. They aren't going to lose recruits to Ohio because of a loss. The top recruits will still go to OSU. I know football's a little different story due to the fewer games and their already present national image of weak SOS.

I don't think they are scared about it hurting the current team or even the current recruiting class, I think they see it hurting the program (even the entire school) long-term.

It is the same reason they would veto any other Ohio program joining the Big 10. I see no reason Ohio State would want to play a legitimate in-state athletic program when they have been pretty successful in developing a monopoly on the state when in cones to athletic success associated with the state. I don't think it is all that "out there" to think Ohio State doesn't want to legitimize Ohio in any way at all when you consider how badly they want our name. Millions in legal fees have gone into the fight over "Ohio."

I think it's pretty obvious to everyone we have a legitimate basketball program. We have a nice facility, a very strong fambase and a strong tradition.

Without getting wildly optimistic, I dont see us being able to compete with Ohio State in football year in and year out. In basketball, I dont think it is all that unbelievable to think we could pretty much compete with them on a yearly basis. I dont see any reason they would want that. While it would be a fun rivalry, it wouldn't be good for business. It would provide Ohio with tons on exposure and increase applications and interest in school further making it impossible for Ohio State to use the "Ohio" name.

I dont think it is the Ohio State Athletic Department who doesn't want to schedule Ohio. I think it is Ohio State's version of Cutler Hall. (which I would imagine was built much later)

Last Edited: 11/14/2013 9:38:09 AM by The Optimist

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