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LoganElm_grad09
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Posted: 11/13/2013 9:10 AM
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I think the problem I have is it may lead to a bunch of one on one basketball.   I'm just now getting back to watching the NBA because it was unwatchable for a while there with the clear-out for the superstar, have him take his guy one-on-one style it became.   I know some people like it that way but I'm not one of them. Calling hand checks on the perimeter I get.  Bailing out ballhandlers who are completely out of control I don't.


I don't think it'll lead to that; we've learned that simply isn't a good way to run an offense. And the referees have to adjust just like everyone else; I think they'll find the right balance.


I agree with you on this.  As a teacher once said, "It's not only the students' first day of school."
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Posted: 11/13/2013 9:12 AM
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I don't blame the refs completely for the calls, yes they got pretty ticky tack at times, but our guys were also putting themselves in position to foul too.  Also I don't know if anyone else noticed but the amount of fouls we committed on tOSU actually made it hard at times for them to get a rhythm which helped us slowly work into their lead.  Unfortunately in the end we couldn't keep making the clutch shots and made mistakes you can't make in such a close game.  Now of course our foul trouble at the end did not help us either.  But all in all I was proud of the guys fighting the whole game and making tOSU work for that win.  What this team needs is for Hall, Setty, and Wilkins to up their game.  For the amount of minutes they are getting they are more liabilities than anything right now.


The Bad positioning was a factor in the number of fouls without question.  I also am not saying the refs took the game from us.  On the other hand, no one can deny 51 free throw attempts had a bearing on the game.

One of my friends at the end of the first half also said that the number of fouls slowed the game in the first half to our benefit. 
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Posted: 11/13/2013 9:22 AM
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Play defense correctly, and the refs aren't a factor. New rules or old rules. Doesn't matter.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 9:31 AM
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I don't think the refs were awful, even if they are one of the regular MAC crews we frequently see in Athens. The worst call I saw was the missed goaltending on the shot that was blocked after it hit the backboard. I made a note of it and will remind Larry Scirotto of the rule next time he does a game in the Convo.

Most of the fouls called against the Cats were because they were out of position, or just got beat. We allowed too much dribble penetration, especially to Craft. The new officiating stance will force the guards to move their feet on defense or the big men will foul out playing help defense.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:02 AM
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I don't think the refs were awful, even if they are one of the regular MAC crews we frequently see in Athens. The worst call I saw was the missed goaltending on the shot that was blocked after it hit the backboard. I made a note of it and will remind Larry Scirotto of the rule next time he does a game in the Convo.

Most of the fouls called against the Cats were because they were out of position, or just got beat. We allowed too much dribble penetration, especially to Craft. The new officiating stance will force the guards to move their feet on defense or the big men will foul out playing help defense.


I agree here... the Cats were out of position by a hair and that is due to a team that hasn't played with each other enough. They were just a half step slow on their defensive rotations causing alot of the fouls. Then in the 2nd half the OSU players adjusted knowing the fouls would be called.

But I will have to say... I was really impressed with this team and should be real fun to watch.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:54 AM
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.  There were a couple occasions, including one right at the end of the game, when Craft should have been given the OFFENSIVE foul.  That has to be part of the "new rules" too in my opinion. 



Here here!  At the end of the game Craft knew that he would get a whistle every time he went inside.  He knew it.  I knew it.  Everyone knew it.  That's pretty pathetic.


I totally agree. Craft understands the rules and exploits the way they are being called. If you changed he would stillfind  way to exploit them. He is , pardon the pun, Crafty.

I said at 21 secs on the shot clock at the end Craft will draw a foul. As the above posters said."predictable". Don't know haw you  are going to eliminate that. He did get called for one Offensive foul and you would have thought the announcers were going to have a hernia. They did not see that one coming nor did most of the folks watching. It was the right call . he is given a lot of calls and gets away with a lot of stuff on the defensive side of the ball as well.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:56 AM
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Most of the fouls called against the Cats were because they were out of position, or just got beat. We allowed too much dribble penetration, especially to Craft. The new officiating stance will force the guards to move their feet on defense or the big men will foul out playing help defense.

Nailed it.

Stevie, Nick and Bean did a good job of not fouling on the perimeter.  But they were beat consistently on drives to the lane and left our bigs hanging out to dry.

The MAC doesn't have many guards who are as quick as Craft or Scott.  I like the early trajectory of this team.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 11:01 AM
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Play defense correctly, and the refs aren't a factor. New rules or old rules. Doesn't matter.


False.

No matter "how" you play D, if the refs want to become a factor, they will, like it or not.

What I found frustrating were the amount of offensive zone fouls we had compared to them. They could have easily called just as many offensive fouls on them but didn't. They had us for illegal picks, a carry at one point(technically just about every ball handler carries these days). THAT was my frustration and they seemed to really pick up those calls when we got the game close.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:32 PM
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Looking at pics

Not sure this is a foul
 


But this is no way to play D



Kraft gets a lot of these non calls that most assuredly change the shot.



Always good to see the stills and get a bettter idea than in real time of what is going on.....stil would like to see that Dig on Kraft where he batted it away from Ndour in the low post and they awarded the ball to State. Looked to me like it was off Kraft at a critical possession inthe game.  
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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:51 PM
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There were four instances when I thought we were treated unfairly:

-TJ called for illegal screen when he hardly moved. They showed a replay and the announcers thought it was weak.
-Treg gets trucked by I think Amir Williams during an inbounds play which leads to TJ fouling a shooter on a 3 point shot (barely grazed his arm)
-OSU is inbounding with three seconds left on the shot clock. They get it to Craft who drives at Treg with arms extended straight up. Treg was visibly pissed - I think it was his fifth.
-Travis gets run over on the baseline outside of the restricted area. The play leads to a 3 from the corner. It was interesting that the play was a no-call.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 12:56 PM
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I'm not overly upset at the officiating, it was about what I expected, but at times it felt like we were playing under the new rules and they were playing under the old rules, especially when it involved drives to the basket and rebounding.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 1:09 PM
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The spirit of the rules I'm fine with -- eliminating excessive contact and hand checking by defenders.  What I'm not fine with is still allowing the offensive player, in this case Aaron Craft, to simply duck his shoulder, initiate contact, plow into a defender, and get freebies at the line.  There were a couple occasions, including one right at the end of the game, when Craft should have been given the OFFENSIVE foul.  That has to be part of the "new rules" too in my opinion. 



Here here!  At the end of the game Craft knew that he would get a whistle every time he went inside.  He knew it.  I knew it.  Everyone knew it.  That's pretty pathetic.

I don't think the refs cost us the game.  But, I do think they were a bit out of hand with all the whistles on one end of the court.  I wouldn't last long as a coach because near the end of a game like this I'd calmly walk out onto the court and quietly talk to the refs until they gave me a T for not going back to the bench, and then calmly and professionally question the officials in the post game media session. 


Two specific occassions that drove me to yelling at the TV last night: 1) jump ball possession arrow to osu w/ 3 seconds left on shot clock. Craft gets inbounds pass, drives to hoop and initiates contact w/ Setty. Setty called for 5th foul; 2) minutes later, Craft drives on Rico. Craft lowers shoulder into Rico to create space, Rico still able to block Craft's shot (cleanly in Rico's mind and in mine), but Rico called for foul.

These are offensive fouls in the NBA, btw.
 
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Posted: 11/13/2013 5:41 PM
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....stil would like to see that Dig on Kraft where he batted it away from Ndour in the low post and they awarded the ball to State. Looked to me like it was off Kraft at a critical possession inthe game.  


I'd also like to see that. From what I *think* I saw, and I had a pretty close view, was basically Craft batted the ball away, and couldn't get control of it, so he basically knocked it out of bounds.  AC then pointed in the direction that OSU should get the ball, and the refs awarded it to him. Seemed bogus to me but it did happen very quickly, and I'd love to see what would happen if we would have gotten some of those 50/50 calls in our favor last night. Until next time...
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Posted: 11/13/2013 6:11 PM
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....stil would like to see that Dig on Kraft where he batted it away from Ndour in the low post and they awarded the ball to State. Looked to me like it was off Kraft at a critical possession inthe game.


I'd also like to see that. From what I *think* I saw, and I had a pretty close view, was basically Craft batted the ball away, and couldn't get control of it, so he basically knocked it out of bounds. AC then pointed in the direction that OSU should get the ball, and the refs awarded it to him. Seemed bogus to me but it did happen very quickly, and I'd love to see what would happen if we would have gotten some of those 50/50 calls in our favor last night. Until next time...
The TV replay seemed to show that Craft never touched the ball.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:50 PM
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The team that takes the initiative into the lane and to the rim will get to the line more - period (and therefore likely to get more "and ones" as well). We cannot let opposition have advantage on that play margin - like O$U did last night. We have to get more "stops", and take more "go's".   
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Posted: 11/17/2013 12:50 AM
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I think that because Craft has developed a reputation of being such a good defender, refs let him off the hook for defense they would get other guys for. If Craft didn't have the reputation of being an elite defender, he would foul out way more often.
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