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Bball Jones
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Posted: 12/4/2013 3:58 PM
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I know it's still way too early to get too excited, but per Joe Lunardi's twitter account, OU is ranked 53rd and projected to make the Big Dance! He had Toledo in the tourney preseason. I hope he's right!!
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Posted: 12/4/2013 4:25 PM
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Bball Jones wrote:expand_more
I know it's still way too early to get too excited, but per Joe Lunardi's twitter account, OU is ranked 53rd and projected to make the Big Dance! He had Toledo in the tourney preseason. I hope he's right!!

For his brackets, if there is a tie atop a conference, he uses the highest RPI team as the auto-bid.  53rd overall on the S-curve would equate to about a 13 seed. 

13 Seeds = 51-54
14 seeds = 55-58
15 seeds = 59-62
16 seeds = 63-68
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Posted: 12/4/2013 4:39 PM
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I want a big statement win over UMass
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Posted: 12/4/2013 5:01 PM
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cbarber357 wrote:expand_more
I want a big statement win over UMass


I'll start with a minor-statement road win at Oakland....
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Posted: 12/4/2013 5:45 PM
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I'll take as many wins as we can get, but if we're talkin' 'bout dancin', The only wins that matter are in March. 

Do not count on an at-large bid.

I was with the team at the OU Inn on Selection Sunday in '95 when the Bobcats were left out after big OOC wins, pre-season NIT championship and #14 ranking. I never want to go through that sports drama and heartbreak again.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 8:46 PM
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OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
I'll take as many wins as we can get, but if we're talkin' 'bout dancin', The only wins that matter are in March. 

Do not count on an at-large bid.

I was with the team at the OU Inn on Selection Sunday in '95 when the Bobcats were left out after big OOC wins, pre-season NIT championship and #14 ranking. I never want to go through that sports drama and heartbreak again.


There couldn't have been *that* much drama. Most projections had us on the outside looking in. We knew our conference performance didn't back up our solid pre-season. at least one of three things gets us in that tournament as an at-large and we did none of them. Had we won the regular season, we're in. Had we at least split with Miami, the reg season champ, we probably get the at-large over them, and had we made the conference finals, especially after Miami failed to, we probably take their bid. It was right in front of us.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:01 AM
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
I'll take as many wins as we can get, but if we're talkin' 'bout dancin', The only wins that matter are in March. 

Do not count on an at-large bid.

I was with the team at the OU Inn on Selection Sunday in '95 when the Bobcats were left out after big OOC wins, pre-season NIT championship and #14 ranking. I never want to go through that sports drama and heartbreak again.


There couldn't have been *that* much drama. 


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Posted: 12/5/2013 9:22 AM
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FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I want a big statement win over UMass


I'll start with a minor-statement road win at Oakland....


Agree with both wins, but lets keep putting the horse before the cart.  I like national recognition, but bracketology prior to February is generally nonsense IMO.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 10:07 AM
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FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I want a big statement win over UMass


I'll start with a minor-statement road win at Oakland....


Agree with latter statement.
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Posted: 12/6/2013 11:07 AM
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Eagle66 wrote:expand_more
I know it's still way too early to get too excited, but per Joe Lunardi's twitter account, OU is ranked 53rd and projected to make the Big Dance! He had Toledo in the tourney preseason. I hope he's right!!

For his brackets, if there is a tie atop a conference, he uses the highest RPI team as the auto-bid.  53rd overall on the S-curve would equate to about a 13 seed. 

13 Seeds = 51-54
14 seeds = 55-58
15 seeds = 59-62
16 seeds = 63-68

Well usually about the top 50 or so in the committee's eyes get in to the tournament though we never know exactly where the committee would rank the first bubble team out with respect to the last 16 or so automatic qualifiers but you can usually tell that its around 50 or 51.  That's the real goal for a bubble team - to get into the top 50 and not the top 68 best teams as you sometimes hear in February.  Many of the Automatic qualifiers with worse resumes that the best bubble team out would still be in the top 68 even though they aren't in the top 50.  Usually, though, the worst team in the tournament is a .500 team that was the 5th seed in one of the very weakest conferences and has a RPI (and any other system that you might imagine) pushing 200 or even greater.  But yeah, being the 53rd best team in the country would land a 13.  Being #63 might get a 14.  If it didn't it would get a 15.  Even if all of the #1 seeds won their tournaments it still #63 would never result in a 16 because there are about 8 to 10 conferences where even a team that is both the conference champion and then wins the conference tournament is still usually not a top 68 resume.

 
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Posted: 12/6/2013 11:47 AM
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Victory wrote:expand_more
I know it's still way too early to get too excited, but per Joe Lunardi's twitter account, OU is ranked 53rd and projected to make the Big Dance! He had Toledo in the tourney preseason. I hope he's right!!


For his brackets, if there is a tie atop a conference, he uses the highest RPI team as the auto-bid. 53rd overall on the S-curve would equate to about a 13 seed.

13 Seeds = 51-54
14 seeds = 55-58
15 seeds = 59-62
16 seeds = 63-68


Well usually about the top 50 or so in the committee's eyes get in to the tournament though we never know exactly where the committee would rank the first bubble team out with respect to the last 16 or so automatic qualifiers but you can usually tell that its around 50 or 51. That's the real goal for a bubble team - to get into the top 50 and not the top 68 best teams as you sometimes hear in February. Many of the Automatic qualifiers with worse resumes that the best bubble team out would still be in the top 68 even though they aren't in the top 50. Usually, though, the worst team in the tournament is a .500 team that was the 5th seed in one of the very weakest conferences and has a RPI (and any other system that you might imagine) pushing 200 or even greater. But yeah, being the 53rd best team in the country would land a 13. Being #63 might get a 14. If it didn't it would get a 15. Even if all of the #1 seeds won their tournaments it still #63 would never result in a 16 because there are about 8 to 10 conferences where even a team that is both the conference champion and then wins the conference tournament is still usually not a top 68 resume.
In this case, the s-curve is the rank of teams in the tournament from 1-68. It is used for seeding not for qualifying. Lunardi only includes teams in the tournament AQ or at large.
Last Edited: 12/6/2013 11:48:35 AM by Eagle66
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Posted: 12/7/2013 7:46 PM
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We can officially cease with the RPI discussion after tonight's performance at Oakland. 
Focus on getting better. 

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Posted: 12/7/2013 7:59 PM
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FearLeon wrote:expand_more
We can officially cease with the RPI discussion after tonight's performance at Oakland. 
Focus on getting better. 



Not sure they have the ability to get any better then what we have seen.  I think tonight is what you are going to see a lot more of going forward.  Our ability to have $ to buy home games has made this team seem a lot better then they are.
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