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Posted: 1/10/2014 2:46 PM
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Stand-up, it is a trademarked name, that is why we get royalties.  It is a legal name we own, but it has not migrated to being a brand - from a marketing perspective.  It does not mean something of consistent value in the market.

Go-Cat - you are correct, if "OHIO" is ever defined, the logo very well might need refining.

Mr. Fox, you are all over it.  Differentiation is difficult, but critical.  It would be interesting to have students at other universities (OSU, MAC, Cincy, etc.) go through the same process as our own students in presenting "what is OHIO" to them.  Through putting together montage of photos, identifying celebrities or characters that personify the college (even if they didn't go there).  Sounds silly, but it is amazing how insightful folks are in articulating what a brand means to them.  You also used a word in a post "unspoken."  I have always found an unspoken bond between OHIO folks.  To me it is captured in "OU...Oh Yea."  (forget it is OU and not OHIO)  If you don't "get" OU...Oh yea" - then you don't get OHIO.

Money is right.  We can't run from "party" - but we can define it, as it doesn't have to mean drinking.  I always found OHIO alive.  Something always going on.  Every weekend I wanted to "Live OHIO" -  It is odd, and maybe just the people I hung around with in school, but we never went home on weekends.  I knew kids at other schools and they went home.  I never understood why.  I felt I was already home.  Every time I returned from break, I felt like I was returning to where I lived...not where I went to school.

Drew, I read the money was going towards academics: Schaus - “Our goal is to apply the resources we get towards academic services.”  I didn't realize it was academic services for the athletic department.  That said, whatever our brand ends up meaning (if it ever means anything), it needs to stand for more than just the athletic teams.


They expect to use the funds to build an academic services building in the north opening of Peden Stadium and, with that opening up space in the stadium tower, to dramatically enhance the tower.


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Posted: 1/10/2014 3:03 PM
Seems to me the first university that implements some sort of Old-Spice-commerical-style media campaign is going to win big.  Problem is old, white, male board members/wealthy influential donors are not going to like that one bit.

Ohio University students and alums understand that life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.  Ferris Bueller is alive and well in Athens.  Work hard.  Play hard.  Be serious.  Let loose.

Many think we should be chasing the "public ivy" label.  I kind of like the academic mid-majorness of the university and all the diversity that elicits.

Good luck trying to get anyone to agree on a brand with an edge to it.  Not sure big public universities can exist that way.  Would be cool though.
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Posted: 1/10/2014 3:13 PM
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Stand-up, it is a trademarked name, that is why we get royalties.  It is a legal name we own, but it has not migrated to being a brand - from a marketing perspective.  It does not mean something of consistent value in the market.

Go-Cat - you are correct, if "OHIO" is ever defined, the logo very well might need refining.

Mr. Fox, you are all over it.  Differentiation is difficult, but critical.  It would be interesting to have students at other universities (OSU, MAC, Cincy, etc.) go through the same process as our own students in presenting "what is OHIO" to them.  Through putting together montage of photos, identifying celebrities or characters that personify the college (even if they didn't go there).  Sounds silly, but it is amazing how insightful folks are in articulating what a brand means to them.  You also used a word in a post "unspoken."  I have always found an unspoken bond between OHIO folks.  To me it is captured in "OU...Oh Yea."  (forget it is OU and not OHIO)  If you don't "get" OU...Oh yea" - then you don't get OHIO.

Money is right.  We can't run from "party" - but we can define it, as it doesn't have to mean drinking.  I always found OHIO alive.  Something always going on.  Every weekend I wanted to "Live OHIO" -  It is odd, and maybe just the people I hung around with in school, but we never went home on weekends.  I knew kids at other schools and they went home.  I never understood why.  I felt I was already home.  Every time I returned from break, I felt like I was returning to where I lived...not where I went to school.

Drew, I read the money was going towards academics: Schaus - “Our goal is to apply the resources we get towards academic services.”  I didn't realize it was academic services for the athletic department.  That said, whatever our brand ends up meaning (if it ever means anything), it needs to stand for more than just the athletic teams.


You may be on to something here - a kind of home where the heart is.
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Posted: 1/10/2014 4:09 PM
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Stand-up, it is a trademarked name, that is why we get royalties.  It is a legal name we own, but it has not migrated to being a brand - from a marketing perspective.  It does not mean something of consistent value in the market.

Go-Cat - you are correct, if "OHIO" is ever defined, the logo very well might need refining.

Mr. Fox, you are all over it.  Differentiation is difficult, but critical.  It would be interesting to have students at other universities (OSU, MAC, Cincy, etc.) go through the same process as our own students in presenting "what is OHIO" to them.  Through putting together montage of photos, identifying celebrities or characters that personify the college (even if they didn't go there).  Sounds silly, but it is amazing how insightful folks are in articulating what a brand means to them.  You also used a word in a post "unspoken."  I have always found an unspoken bond between OHIO folks.  To me it is captured in "OU...Oh Yea."  (forget it is OU and not OHIO)  If you don't "get" OU...Oh yea" - then you don't get OHIO.

Money is right.  We can't run from "party" - but we can define it, as it doesn't have to mean drinking.  I always found OHIO alive.  Something always going on.  Every weekend I wanted to "Live OHIO" -  It is odd, and maybe just the people I hung around with in school, but we never went home on weekends.  I knew kids at other schools and they went home.  I never understood why.  I felt I was already home.  Every time I returned from break, I felt like I was returning to where I lived...not where I went to school.

Drew, I read the money was going towards academics: Schaus - “Our goal is to apply the resources we get towards academic services.”  I didn't realize it was academic services for the athletic department.  That said, whatever our brand ends up meaning (if it ever means anything), it needs to stand for more than just the athletic teams.


You may be on to something here - a kind of home where the heart is.


Agree. And i think it's part of what makes OU so unique. It is a true residential campus. So many students live on campus--they don't commute. The town is so relatively small, if you're involved in some activity, chances are it is an integral part of the college experience. That's part of what builds the atmosphere.
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Posted: 1/10/2014 4:22 PM
I agree with the "home is where the heart is" sentiments.  There is a special feel EVERY time I take that SR 682 exit, go around the curve, and see the Convo and Peden.  There is always a special feel when I park on Court St. and get out of my car.

I notice that the convention and visitors bureau, I believe, is marketing Court St. to outsiders as "the most eccentric half mile in America."  That kind of ties into the "screw you, we're Ohio" mentality.  I am intrigued by the use of "eccentric" for Court St. and maybe the university as a whole.  I think they've hit onto something.

I agree that the Marching 110 is a strong representative of the Ohio ethos.  Just like Stanford's band represents the ethos at that university.  People see that band and they say, "Yeah, that's Stanford all right."
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Posted: 1/10/2014 4:40 PM
New poster here .  Very intrigued by where you all are taking this idea.

I heard a story from a recent grad right before Home Coming who couldn't help but express a lot of excitement about Coming Home to Athens and OHIO.  A co-worker responded to that excitement by saying "You Bobcats are oddly obsessed with your school.  It's weird."

Haha, so true.
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Posted: 1/10/2014 6:01 PM
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New poster here .  Very intrigued by where you all are taking this idea.

I heard a story from a recent grad right before Home Coming who couldn't help but express a lot of excitement about Coming Home to Athens and OHIO.  A co-worker responded to that excitement by saying "You Bobcats are oddly obsessed with your school.  It's weird."

Haha, so true.


Welcome to the board.

I like the direction this is going also. I have talked to many people that try to explain the moment they came over the hill and saw the campus and they knew that moment they were "home". So many times across the US I have run into BObcats that talk glowingly about their time at OHIO. To be honest, the only other place I have found to be even close in this type of conversation  is Auburn ( and maybe Antioch.....but that is on another level)

My own kid gets off a plane, spends a day at home and heads back to athens for the off season, or holiday break or any reason to get back there.

I think you are on to something. One would think with the business school, J school, Sports ad programs everyone could do much more and create a persona for the U collaboratively..... and seemingly more creatively than the folk who created the boilerplate vision and Mission statements
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Posted: 1/10/2014 6:08 PM
At it's core, OU is a conservative campus. Not in regards to politics, but in regards to change. Change is widely resisted across all departments. We do not "push the envelope" with things...such as flashy commercials, slogans, etc. That's just never been Ohio University, at least in my time here.

I'm not saying this is how it should be, just how it is. I think any attempt to do some of the things mentioned earlier would be met with ridicule or seen as silly (i.e. the Oregon videos). Despite some of the left-leaning politics, there is a firmly "establishment" culture here for some reason.
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Posted: 1/10/2014 6:15 PM
I have to correct you on one thing: It's contend, not content.

Remember "The Love" campaign and how everyone lost their gourds? I loved it then and would like to try it again.
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Posted: 1/10/2014 6:47 PM
Thanks for pointing out the typo, JSF.  As a J-school grad, professional writer and owner of an advertising agency, cc cat probably didn't know the difference between the two words.


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Posted: 1/10/2014 11:53 PM
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I have to correct you on one thing: It's contend, not content.

Remember "The Love" campaign and how everyone lost their gourds? I loved it then and would like to try it again.


Thank yous four such a valubull contrabution two the conversation.

What was the the "The Love" campaign? How long ago did it run?
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Reposted from Ric's thread.  Let's give him back that thread.

 

In response to Optimist and others, I started to address various comments with respect to branding, marketing and the communications of Ohio and our athletic programs. 

 

Such as the fact that NO, you don’t build a brand by giving away the product.  You can generate product sampling, but that is not a brand, nor brand building.  In my 30 years of helping clients, uncover, articulate and deliver relevant, impactful brands in the marketplace, giving the product away does not play into it.

 

The mention of naming rights.  First, let’s all be aware that money is not going to the athletic department, but to the academic side.  Second, that effort has no value to those sitting in an arena and very limited value to those in the community.  I can assure you that as of next November, folks in Charlotte will refer to the Time Warner Arena as the “Hive” as the Hornets return.  This same scenerio is going to take place in Athens. No one will refer to the field name at Pedan (remember, we are not naming the stadium, but the field), and “Convo” will live on.  Where naming rights have value is in “broadcast” and other forms of communications. 

 

Which leads to the concern that Ohio is moving ahead with naming rights without (as far as I know), having a ten-year broadcast strategy in place.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, we need to look beyond broadcast as it is defined today, let alone 10 years ago.  Radio/Radio stations are on life support.  TV in 2014 is where radio was in 1956.  The next short-term generation is going to say, “you mean all you did was look a screen, you didn’t interact at all.”  Just as past generations talked about “you actually looked at the radio?”

 

The fact that we are worried about growing the fan base out of our footprint, when we don’t take steps to create a connection with fans within the easiest, and most valuable (long-term) customer base – our students.  Get a student to support and interact with a team while in Athens and you have a fan (and donor) for life.  It is why I suggested a few years ago that we hold “Midnight Madness” uptown – connect now, and you grow later.

 

But then I realized we have an even bigger issue than those points I just mentioned.  The reality is we do not have a brand.  We don’t. 

 

“OHIO” IS NOT A BRAND!!.  It is simply a name.  Just as Apple, Nike and Coke (or is it Coca-Cola) are just names.  A brand is more than that.  “Oh, but we represent the state of Ohio.”  First, that brand path is already occupied.  And second, that  in itself is also not a brand.  That is a definition, and articulation of what we are (or want to be), but not a description of who we are -- or what we stand for.  A brand is a promise of what we provide in a relationship with the customer.  A brand is an articulation of what makes us, and by association those that are part of us, unique.  Special.  Relevant.  A brand is the positive experience you have with it.

 

I have never heard a brand message, promise, whatever you want to call it, articulated by the University, Administraton, anyone on this board, Hell, I do it for a living and I never really gave it much thought.  But if we want to move forward we need to go through the process of uncovering who we are.   Steps, which I won’t bore you with, that would have the marketplace help define us (because companies/entities can deliver a brand, but the customer defines its value). 

 

In developing our brand (not name, brand), we also need to be aware of how others are perceived.  Because a key to a brand is differentiation. 

 

So what are our core competencies? What sets us apart?  I would content that part of it is that we zig when other zag.  We are the ying to their yang.  John Groce was revered.  I would content not because he won in March, but because he “got it.” He understood Ohio, just as Danny Nee did in the 80’s.  Both were a bit of renegades.  Not rebellious, but unique individuals.  Yea, he took us past the first round, but beating Georgetown was sweeter than beating a Georgia Tech.  Took down Georgetown – an establishment team.  Took down Michigan.  Yes the rival state, but also “one of them.”  Made it even sweeter.  He won, but he also oozed “Ohio.” – individuality wrapped in a community, passionate.

 

He also had that “screw you, we’re Ohio” attitude (an attitude I think Christian has as well).  Look at Frank.  Certainly respected, but not revered (despite considerable success, especially compared to history).  I would content he does not “ooze” Ohio. 

 

Look at VCU – Why did they open the bank for Shaka Smart.  Yes, he wins, but he also personifies who VCU wants to be: Intelligent, urban, cutting edge, youthful, hip.  Want to run an ad for VCU – put Shake in front of a camera.

 

We don’t have a brand, I have not seen it defined, and certainly have not seen one communicated – by the University, Administration, anyone.  Want some proof.  Look at those ridiculous promos we run during games. Yes, they are boring and poorly produced.  But they are also embarrassing. -- Embarrassing because they are like everyone else.   And we are not like everyone else.  (zig/zag, ying to yang). 

 

I’m not implying those competencies alone define us.  There is so much more.  Want to capture “OHIO,” put a few cameras on Court Street on Halloween and stream the video.  More alumni will watch part of that than any game versus any opponent.  Not because of the partying and alcohol (which is what the Administration sees), but because of the individuality and social “togethering” that is also part of who we are.

 

Bottom line, we can talk naming rights, call in radio shows, internet broadcasting, etc., etc., etc. all we want.  But until we define who we are and what we (and therefore, those that associate with us) are about, we are simply throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. 

 

“OHIO” is not a brand.  It is simply a name, a moniker.  Who is “OHIO?”

 

Finally, I am going to move this post to a new thread because the topic has hijacked a thread that should be for Ric.  And it is doing a disservice to him.  God Speed in your recovery Ric.  Your passion, commitment and heart make us proud.



First, I'm quoting cc's original post in its entirety because it's the best, most insightful and most important post ever placed on this board or its predecessors...even above So Say Us All.

I'm sure that we don't have unlimited funds to throw at this.  But I'd hope that the J-School, other interested parties, and alum and friends such as cc cat could be gathered so that we do the WORK to define our brand and determine how to COMMUNICATE it.  cc--as far as defining our brand, it's more a matter of brainpower than money, right?  (Communicating it will entail more money.)

We all know that O H I O is a unique community, a unique experience.  But, as cc so well puts it, that has to be captured and communicated.   It just has to be.

 Easy warning:  if anyone else can say the same thing/make the same claim (We are stupd cow, we are OHIO, etc) then it is not unique.


 
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Posted: 1/11/2014 12:16 AM
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What was the the "The Love" campaign? How long ago did it run?


I debuted during our appearance GMAC Bowl, I believe, and disappeared almost immediately after. Basically, it tried to do what has been suggested here, highlighting the unique experience of going to Ohio.
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Posted: 1/11/2014 12:23 AM
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What was the the "The Love" campaign? How long ago did it run?


It debuted during our appearance in the GMAC Bowl, I believe, and disappeared almost immediately after. Basically, it tried to do what has been suggested here, highlighting the unique experience of going to Ohio.


fixed that for ya - lol.  I'll try to find it online. Thanks.
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Posted: 1/11/2014 12:32 AM
Monroe, the key is for the market to help define who we are.  Students, alum, etc - as you point out.  As discussed earlier, we also need to explore how others perceive their schools.  That takes some doing.  Ultimately, brand positioning is not about brainstorming, but listening. 

The real key?  A champion IN THE UNIVERSITY.  Otherwise, any effort gets compromised by committee and results in We Are Ohio and a smiling coed throwing a frisbee on College Green. 

From a communications standpoint, there are production dollars, as we would want the message to be well executed.  But I have to believe the university has those resources.  From a media standpoint the most important audience is prospective students and we can reach them online.  See the Oregon videos I posted earlier.  They apparently have their own Youtube "station" and you know kids are searching it out.
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Posted: 1/11/2014 12:38 AM
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What was the the "The Love" campaign? How long ago did it run?


It debuted during our appearance in the GMAC Bowl, I believe, and disappeared almost immediately after. Basically, it tried to do what has been suggested here, highlighting the unique experience of going to Ohio.


fixed that for ya - lol.  I'll try to find it online. Thanks.


Yikes, I butchered that. Thanks for the correction.
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Posted: 1/11/2014 12:42 AM
Great post by cc. I think through this thread we have found what the brand is. It is the whole "forever home" concept. The trouble is how to show that. People call it home for many different reasons but the underlying influence is all the same. I think Live Ohio is great(live athens as well). To me it almost seems like our "home" brand is something that is inherent in everyone who comes through the school. We like being the smaller school that is a pleasant suprise to outsiders.

Some people say we need to go state wide with our brand, but I think it is just as important to make sure we secure athens and SEO from an athletics fan perspective. I always thought it would be great for Lou to announce us as "Athen's own Ohio Bobcats". Too many people just want to jump and challenge OSU for state dominance instead of logically growing. Let's be UC or Dayton from a prominence stand point before we go after OSU. I think we can do this by doing what CC said. Home isn't the state of Ohio. It is Athens Ohio and that is where the brand starts
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Posted: 1/11/2014 12:52 AM
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I agree with the capturing the student perspective. As I listened to Bobcats tell their stories the ones I absolutely am thrilled to hear are the ones like Van, First Street, Joe Mac and others when they  tell of when they "were in the Convo:" or attended  "the MAC tourney game" and then they proceed to tell the story.....In years to come I fully expect to see someone here remembering being in the Convo the day that crazy Ozoner got escorted out of the arena or "when we beat G Town" ...... What I see every time i hear those stories is a student that was captured as you describe and is still engaged .....many years later.....

Building that AND capturing more of the random SEO  and close by WV fans is no where near any saturation point IMHO.

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Posted: 1/11/2014 1:29 AM
I need some of these intangibles more clearly defined. Show me a desired state- what University is doing all of the things Ohio isn't doing but should be and please provide specific examples.
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Posted: 1/11/2014 9:20 AM
CC has launched an outstanding question, and one I agree with entirely. One aspect about Ohio University to remember is the long history. That of course provides some measure of distinction--because Ohio is literally older than most/many others. That should provide a rich historical perspective that capitalizes on the name. During the OSU/Ohio trademark dispute, the university needed to legally establish that Ohio had been using the term "Ohio" for some time, and as a result, produced some decent quality old athletic and campus photos of students proudly wearing "Ohio" on their chests.

I understand CC's point is not to re-open the name dispute, so I'm not trying to take the subject in a new direction. But I think the name Ohio will be very central to any meaningful solution to CC's challenge. A few years ago, I thought Mercedes Benz did a fabulous TV ad showing a car's "life" through its windshield. Through the ad, you don't see much of the car, only the images of its life--young parents, kids growing up, pets, etc. It was a great idea for demonstrating the car's longevity, dependability, and even the emotional attachment we develop with our cars.

It's also a concept based upon the idea of a book I once had titled "If these walls could talk," which is based upon the "life" of an old house. It takes the reader through a historical perspective of great events that have happened withing that space. In that same way, what has Ohio University "seen" through the years. Some of those events you might imagine are truly historical, but many are trivial but no less important to building that "feeling" of being an OU student.
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Posted: 1/11/2014 9:55 AM
Thinking about perimeterpost's comment above, I thought of Harvard, Princeton and UCBerkley. Just saying those names communicates an expectation of an experience, a value, an idea of who they are. Is this a type of branding?

When I think of Penn State, OSU, IU - honestly I just think of sports. (Actually, I think of great academics when I think of IU, but then I was born/raised a Hoosier) Hopefully we are more than just that. 
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Posted: 1/11/2014 11:10 AM
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At it's core, OU is a conservative campus. Not in regards to politics, but in regards to change. Change is widely resisted across all departments. We do not "push the envelope" with things...such as flashy commercials, slogans, etc. That's just never been Ohio University, at least in my time here.

I'm not saying this is how it should be, just how it is. I think any attempt to do some of the things mentioned earlier would be met with ridicule or seen as silly (i.e. the Oregon videos). Despite some of the left-leaning politics, there is a firmly "establishment" culture here for some reason.


For those of us who live here either as townies or as those who came and never left, this is a very true statement. The Cutler administration and academic deans have been historically dominated by white older men (yes, we have a bit of diversity today but historically speaking, that's what we have had).  For some reason there is this fear of admitting who and what we are.  Since 1979, there has been an active campaign to surpress the party image yet it as prevelant as it ever was, kind of like the war on drugs.  Borna mentioned Antioch; you can add Oberlin to that very short list.  If we could add outstanding academic achievement across the board as one of the primary reasons that students choose OU to be their home, I think we'd be moving in the right direction.  Someone mentioned Harvard and Berkely.  The latter is certainly an eccentric place but I don't think there is a poster on here that would discourage their son or daughter from going there.
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Posted: 1/11/2014 11:12 AM
It's been mentioned in this thread before, but using the "OU.....Oh Yeah" concept could be the core.  Yes, I know all about the mandated singular use of "Ohio" but I feel ithe phrase grabs the essence of what we are here.  Alums who come back, either physically or in their fond memories, those who loved it and stayed, those who recall it all with fondness, etc................mine all that for the presentations.

 After all, we are the first university in the Northwest Territory AND we have Court Street.
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Posted: 1/11/2014 11:14 AM
I just found this.  Interesting, particularly the home away from home.  That's not the same as home.

Renea Morris, executive director of UCM, explained the concept behind the “It’s You” branding campaign, a culmination of more than three years of comprehensive research and collaboration with University stakeholders, students and alumni.

“Throughout the process, we kept hearing the same thing over and over – from current students, from prospective students, from alumni – ‘There’s something about OHIO. It shapes me into the person I want to be. Here you are an important person. It seems like no matter who I want to be, I can fit in here,’” Morris said. “So when developing the creative concepts, we wanted to convey the idea of being able to see oneself at OHIO.” 

A UCM team tasked with developing creative concepts for the branding initiative pulled together interviews with 31 students who talked about their OHIO experiences. After transcribing those interviews, four themes that capture the essence of Ohio University emerged: Love at First Sight, Home Away from Home, Supportive Professors and Bobcat Pride.

http://www.ohio.edu/ucm/media/archive/12-13/brandingpremiere2013.cfm

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Posted: 1/11/2014 12:26 PM
People may disagree with this, but I think selling beer at our games is something that would fit right into the Ohio University Brand.  Work Hard Play Hard comes to mind.  When we are called a party school, I think that is spot on.  Not party in the sense of Palmer Fest, but "Life is Party" .  Running from the party school image only makes it worse.  
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