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Posted: 1/12/2014 8:48 PM
Some of those foul calls were just ridiculous in both OT's. In the end, gotta close the game out though. If you have a 3 possession lead in OT, under 2 minutes, you gotta get it done. 

We're really frustrating to watch on offense. There's no reason N'Dour shouldn't touch the ball at least once every time down the floor. Christian should take a page from Akron's playbook and initiate offense through him much like Akron did with Treadwell. Just keep going to him on the ISO and force the defense to commit an extra defender. Especially when you're in the bonus. 

All in all, a pretty good game but when you have guy at the line that is a 91% FT shooter and he misses to allow the Zips to hit a two to tie, there's just no excuse. And then to get a second chance to tie in double OT and not even get a quality shot, that's just poor execution all around. 

 
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Posted: 1/12/2014 8:51 PM
Akron is a terrible team with no talent and a little bit of luck tonight.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 8:51 PM
Just pathetic. Have to wonder about the psyche of the team after another loss to the Zips, especially when we were in position to ice it away.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 8:55 PM
Damn, they took my sign right after it went up. *lonely tear*

Doesn't matter who/when/where we play, we're gonna be loud as hell. OHIO till the end!
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Posted: 1/12/2014 8:56 PM
That felt a little too much like Game 6 of the NBA Finals a little too soon.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:01 PM
Akron showed in the NCAA last year that they are a horrible, horrible team, but for some reason they always get up for any game against the Bobcats. They will do very well in the MAC again, probably winning the East. Who's going to stop them? OHIO needs to step up and prevent another embarrassing showing by the sole MAC rep in the big dance!
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:01 PM
Akron matches up well with us and they may "have our number", but they're not a great team this year. They'll lose some MAC games. I still like our chances in the MAC.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:03 PM
Man some of the people on here post stuff that gives me diabetes. Calm down.  Both teams played horribly and ended very competitively.  It was Akron, not some MAC doormat.  We're still putting it together without Ric and have plenty of season left, so just chill out. You can't expect basketball to win every game and this is the kind of game that you can accept losing, and nobody should say "Yeah, but we need to win some of these games too!" because we have.  i.e. Richmond, Mercer
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:04 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Akron matches up well with us and they may "have our number", but they're not a great team this year. They'll lose some MAC games. I still like our chances in the MAC.


When's the last time a MAC team won without some stellar PG play? 

Right now that is really killing this team. 

PG's combined for 4-14, 2 REB, 1 AST, 3 TO, 6 PF. 

Getting just miserable production there. Neither is a scorer or a passer.

Pretty terrible combination given the expected production at that position. 
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:10 PM
CATman wrote:expand_more
When's the last time a MAC team won without some stellar PG play? 



Akron doesn't have any PG play either. 

 
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:14 PM
People...chill... 
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:46 PM
CATman wrote:expand_more
When's the last time a MAC team won without some stellar PG play? 

 


Last year's MAC championship game.  They put Marshall on DJ and shut him down.  Their guards had a total of 13 pts (but 11 rebs) and shot 4/13 from the field. 

But I agree that over the course of the season they can't go all big and win. 

We have trouble when the threes don't fall.  5/20 doesn't cut it.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:55 PM
56.8% on defensive rebounds. Abysmal.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:59 PM
We should never lose at home. especially with that atmosphere. That's a very bad loss and I felt like we fell apart as a team tonight. guys seemed to be at each others throats and I didn't see anyone picking each other up and no one was being a leader. everyone's heads were down after the game. JC is going to have his work cut our for him to pick this team up after a very hard loss to take.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:06 PM
Akron had plenty of guys who had great stretches: Kretzer all game with the difficult 3s, Treadwell bullying his way to the hoop. Even Forsythe had his way at times dropping short jumpers over Maurice.

We're just not a complete team, and despite all the wins we've had since I started paying attention in 2004, I can't remember a team of ours that has "had it all": depth, experience, shooters, slashers, defenders, size, etc.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:07 PM
Blergh, this one really hurts. Had chances to win. Diggs took the game into his own hands at times. 

Atmosphere was pretty damn good. 8k sounds about right. O Zone & students had a solid showing. Nerve wracking game. Can the promotional give away actually be considered flags? They were those useless things that you mount on your window (as you roll it up all the way). Ah well. 

Our squad is still quality. Bean is a serious question mark. It seems his minutes will be scaled back in MAC play.

 
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:07 PM
Things this thread has taught me:
  • JC sucks at coaching
  • Apparently our RPI still matters
  • We should never lose at home because atmosphere
  • People hate OSU yet cannot avoid watching them
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:14 PM
TheBobcatBandit wrote:expand_more
We should never lose at home. especially with that atmosphere. That's a very bad loss and I felt like we fell apart as a team tonight..

No. Stop. Stop right now. 

It's a loss in double OT against our biggest current rival. Aside from PGs, most of our guys played well tonight. 

We just got beat. We didn't fall apart as a team tonight.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:18 PM
Disappointed we couldn't close it out.


The three's by Diggs and Kretzer came at really key moments, but we should've won that one.


I was, however, really pleased to see us disrupt Treadwell. He still managed 15 pts, but I felt like we defended him better than anytime I can remember. 


I still feel pretty good about the rest of the year. We just have to string a few games together in CLE.





 
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:20 PM
Ozcat wrote:expand_more
Things this thread has taught me:
  • JC sucks at coaching
  • Apparently our RPI still matters
  • We should never lose at home because atmosphere
  • People hate OSU yet cannot avoid watching them

JC has done a nice job coaching this year. He seems to have an in game influence. Guys are buying in.
It matters as a measuring stick, I guess. 
Losing at home sucks, but it can happen. And it will happen. As long as it doesn't happen in terrible ways (Winthrop, Robert Morris, etc)
So, you can't watch a team that you hate. Makes no sense. 

 
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:34 PM
Pages could be written about this game, as I'm sure this thread will grow, but just a few key takeaways that come to mind at first glance from tonight:

*As much as  Iike Maurice, outside of shot blocking, he must learn to be more disciplined on defense.  He's much too important to this team and he must be taught to be more disciplined on defense.  He's a sucker for the head fake; he leaves his feat any any sign of a shot; he picks up way too many cheap fouls and he must learn how to body-up raise his hands and make the guys shoot over him vs. always going up in the air.  He's going to be in foul trouble every game and he's become much too easy of a target to get into foul trouble.  On a similar note, you must have Jon Smith guard Treadwell at all times.  When he comes in, Smith must come in.  When Treadwell goes out, Smith rests too.  I'd have to watch the tape, but I wonder how many points Treadwell scored on Maurice and others vs. Smith?  I think Jon did well on him.

*Likewise, during key possessions to extend leads/put the game away--we didn't run the offense through him in the 2nd half, which is what got us the lead inititally.  Once again I'd have to watch the tape to be sure what I remember is true, but I felt on many key possessions late the offense didn't run through him and we didn't get good shots.

*Gotta give Travis Wilkins credit, as I was giving him none up to until the last couple games.  I've considered him a 3 point specialist who couldn't hit 3's and he's hit some big shots the past couple games.  On the other hand, the rest of our bench can be counted on for NO offense--Setty, Campbell, Willis, etc... equal guys you barely have to guard.

*Akron is clutch.  Man, some cold blooded shots down the stretch you just had a feeling they'd hit.  We had them put away on numerous occassions, then BANG!

*Stevie---clutch when they go in, bad shots when they don't.  Tough position to be in but he did the DJ dribble the shot clock out because I want to be forced to shoot a bomb trick a couple times late.

*Really hope we don't meet them in Cleveland.  Akron certainly is in our heads at this time.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:40 PM
The post about Ivo 0 points and four boards in 55 minutes vs. kron  in three games last year is very believable if you saw us and him last year.

We shoulda won tonight.  We don't get the ball deep inside enough.  We let them penetrate too easily.  We don't board enough.  Over the last 5-8 minutes of regulation and the two OT's they about scored at will and out rebounded us.  We don't have a go to guy, an indeniable guy.

But that's all okay.  Well before the season began, thoughts that we'd compete for a MAC title seemed sorta far-fetched.  I think that we're fine.  We're not particularly talent but we compete and we play well as a team.  We're young and/or using a fair amount of new guys.  Rico is gone for the year.

All in all, we played reasonable well tonight, save for not being able to put it away at the end.  'kron is decidedly bigger than us and we held that off until the end.

We can beat 'kron and we can win the MAC (regular season or tourney).  We just aren't a great team.  We'll win by playing well together, by maximizing our talent.  We won't win because we just have markedly better talent than anyone.

We'll be competitive in every game in the regular season and MAC tourney.

 
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Posted: 1/12/2014 10:41 PM
LuckySparrow wrote:expand_more
We should never lose at home. especially with that atmosphere. That's a very bad loss and I felt like we fell apart as a team tonight..


No. Stop. Stop right now.

It's a loss in double OT against our biggest current rival. Aside from PGs, most of our guys played well tonight.

We just got beat. We didn't fall apart as a team tonight.
That akron team isn't good. I'd say they are average/above average. we should not be losing to average/above average teams at home so yes its a bad loss. and its not the play during regulation that makes me think we fell apart. it was in OT. After we blew the first one and we went over to then bench it was awful. guys were getting in each others faces players were throwing towels and kicking chairs. They acted like they lost already. During that final possession nick walked over to the ozone to inbound and the face he was making made it seem like we had already lost. He was shaking his head and had no confidence. Others were the same way
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Posted: 1/12/2014 11:14 PM
Sorry - today is for pissing and moaning. If you don't like pissing and moaning, come back tomorrow or Tuesday. This was a horrible loss. That Akron team had no freaking business coming into our building and beating us. That was not a "tip of the cap to you" Akron team like last year. We pissed away golden opportunity after golden opportunity to put this one away. Up 5 with the ball under two minutes and we don't see a single post touch! We lollygag around the perimeter for 30 seconds until a guard decides to drive and we don't touch the rim.  AFter that, Kretzer hits the 3 and I knew we would lose the game. It took 2 overtimes for it to happen but it was as inevitable as death and taxes. Jim Christian is flat-out owned by Keith Dambrot, and this was a Larry Hunter vs Miami type puke-inducing home gag.
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Posted: 1/12/2014 11:16 PM
TheBobcatBandit wrote:expand_more
We should never lose at home. especially with that atmosphere. That's a very bad loss and I felt like we fell apart as a team tonight..


No. Stop. Stop right now.

It's a loss in double OT against our biggest current rival. Aside from PGs, most of our guys played well tonight.

We just got beat. We didn't fall apart as a team tonight.


That akron team isn't good. I'd say they are average/above average. we should not be losing to average/above average teams at home so yes its a bad loss. and its not the play during regulation that makes me think we fell apart. it was in OT. After we blew the first one and we went over to then bench it was awful. guys were getting in each others faces players were throwing towels and kicking chairs. They acted like they lost already. During that final possession nick walked over to the ozone to inbound and the face he was making made it seem like we had already lost. He was shaking his head and had no confidence. Others were the same way

Ridiculous. Akron is a good team with tough players and depth. Are we better? Probably. Sure, they are experiencing some tough times? Yeah, they are. 

Your example is just a double edged sword. If guys aren't kicking chairs and throwing towels when they lose, then they don't care enough. And when they do that stuff, they've fallen apart. Ridiculous. Just an awful way to evaluate a team. Please, stop. 

How the hell do you know that Nick had no confidence? Just because of the facial expression he made during a battle? I'm not even going to address the "the face he was making made it seem like we had already lost" part because that's absolutely inappropriate. 

I seriously can't believe you just accused Nick Kellogg of giving up (not even because of a play or a shot, because of a facial expression). Please stop. 


 
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