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Posted: 1/29/2014 10:09 PM
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I just cannot buy the "convo roof" story to the hanging scoreboard anymore. I am not an engineer.... All i know is that 10 years ago lifting a 50 inch TV was a struggle now I would pay some random kid at Ping a $10 to help me carry it up a couple flights of stairs.

I gotta think that transfers to a 5000 inch TV. Right?

Also.... The price.... If a jumbrotron cost 100,000k 10 years ago, based on TV prices it has to cost wayyyyy less now, right?


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I was told that the flags were removed simply because they caused too much controversy. Some countries were not represented, some changed flags, some were "state sponsors of terror", etc. Politics can be messy, especially at a state university.

Fascinating.

 
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Posted: 1/30/2014 12:18 AM
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more
I just cannot buy the "convo roof" story to the hanging scoreboard anymore. I am not an engineer.... All i know is that 10 years ago lifting a 50 inch TV was a struggle now I would pay some random kid at Ping a $10 to help me carry it up a couple flights of stairs.

I gotta think that transfers to a 5000 inch TV. Right?

Also.... The price.... If a jumbrotron cost 100,000k 10 years ago, based on TV prices it has to cost wayyyyy less now, right?
The basic High School small college 2-sided message board with scoreboard weighs in at 1,620lbs for an 8'x8 board. One appropriate for the Convo and 4 sided, and video would be substantially more one would think.

http://www.daktronics.com/Web%20Documents/HSPR-Documents/...


This is what Wichita State has. This would look sweet inside the Convocation Center.

http://www.daktronics.com/en-us/photos/details?pn=WP-18018
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Love the Wichita St. hanging scoreboard and would love to have one similar in the Convo - as long as one of the Koch brothers' name is not attached.
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The biggest issue with a center hung scoreboard at the Convo is reinforcing the roof. That upgrade may be more expensive than the actual scoreboard.

that sounds interesting. Is there data available on this? if that is a true fact lets put the info out here and put this argument and dream to bed. 

Mackey put theirs up in 1991. Same arena architects. Maybe their engineers have a different approach. 

I am all for ending this part of the conversation if you have the info that refutes the possibility. 

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I have been told that the roof is actually supported by the tension created by the wires that cross overhead.  (The cat walk sits on these wires.)  The tension in these wires creates an upward force that supports the umbrella shaped roof above.  Perhaps there's more wiring/support, and thus more load capacity, at Purdue?  But, us old-timers will remember there used to be a very large (and presumably heavy) white speaker box that hung down from the center of the Convo roof until the early 1990s.  Can't image that today's lighter LED type screens would be any heavier than that old box…but they're also big-time expensive.


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Love the Wichita St. hanging scoreboard and would love to have one similar in the Convo - as long as one of the Koch brothers' name is not attached.


Hell, Squared, our J-school named the media lab after Roger Ailes.  Anything is possible.


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Posted: 1/30/2014 12:34 PM
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Love the Wichita St. hanging scoreboard and would love to have one similar in the Convo - as long as one of the Koch brothers' name is not attached.


Hell, Squared, our J-school named the media lab after Roger Ailes.  Anything is possible.




You mean after he gave money? The audacity!
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There are certain people whose money should be refused, especially by a respected journalism school.


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Posted: 1/30/2014 12:48 PM
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Like George Soros or Jane Fonda?
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I have been told that the roof is actually supported by the tension created by the wires that cross overhead.  (The cat walk sits on these wires.)  The tension in these wires creates an upward force that supports the umbrella shaped roof above.  Perhaps there's more wiring/support, and thus more load capacity, at Purdue?  But, us old-timers will remember there used to be a very large (and presumably heavy) white speaker box that hung down from the center of the Convo roof until the early 1990s.  Can't image that today's lighter LED type screens would be any heavier than that old box…but they're also big-time expensive.




I thought I was going to read the following . . . But, us old-timers will remember there used to be a very large (and presumably heavy) white  male student who crawled across the catwalk late one night back in 1983, lowered the extra-large paw flag that was hanging from the speakers to the floor below and now has said flag prominently displayed in his Youngstown home.
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bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
I have been told that the roof is actually supported by the tension created by the wires that cross overhead.  (The cat walk sits on these wires.)  The tension in these wires creates an upward force that supports the umbrella shaped roof above.  Perhaps there's more wiring/support, and thus more load capacity, at Purdue?  But, us old-timers will remember there used to be a very large (and presumably heavy) white speaker box that hung down from the center of the Convo roof until the early 1990s.  Can't image that today's lighter LED type screens would be any heavier than that old box…but they're also big-time expensive.


I thought I was going to read the following . . . But, us old-timers will remember there used to be a very large (and presumably heavy) white  male student who crawled across the catwalk late one night back in 1983, lowered the extra-large paw flag that was hanging from the speakers to the floor below and now has said flag prominently displayed in his Youngstown home.


On a related note, Austin Carr's retired number was yoinked from the rafters of The Q this week.
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Posted: 1/30/2014 1:06 PM
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Love the Wichita St. hanging scoreboard and would love to have one similar in the Convo - as long as one of the Koch brothers' name is not attached.

The question of financing university projects and politics is valid and interesting, but perhaps it should take place in Siberia, as this topic could easily veer way off course.

 
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You think it's been cold here??  Zhigansk, Russia, where this thread is headed soon on the Siberian Express if the SBH-Robert Fox battle continues, is predicted to have a high of 40 below zero Farenheit tomorrow. 

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bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
I have been told that the roof is actually supported by the tension created by the wires that cross overhead.  (The cat walk sits on these wires.)  The tension in these wires creates an upward force that supports the umbrella shaped roof above.  Perhaps there's more wiring/support, and thus more load capacity, at Purdue?  But, us old-timers will remember there used to be a very large (and presumably heavy) white speaker box that hung down from the center of the Convo roof until the early 1990s.  Can't image that today's lighter LED type screens would be any heavier than that old box…but they're also big-time expensive.




I thought I was going to read the following . . . But, us old-timers will remember there used to be a very large (and presumably heavy) white  male student who crawled across the catwalk late one night back in 1983, lowered the extra-large paw flag that was hanging from the speakers to the floor below and now has said flag prominently displayed in his Youngstown home.


That's true…if the roof could support Vic Russell circa 1983, it could support the weight of a jumbotron. No need for further engineering studies.




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You think it's been cold here??  Zhigansk, Russia, where this thread is headed soon on the Siberian Express if the SBH-Robert Fox battle continues, is predicted to have a high of 40 below zero Farenheit tomorrow. 



Take your finger off the button, Jeff.  I simply can't continue the argument now that the Jane Fonda card has been played.

 



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The Optimist wrote:expand_more
I just cannot buy the "convo roof" story to the hanging scoreboard anymore. I am not an engineer.... All i know is that 10 years ago lifting a 50 inch TV was a struggle now I would pay some random kid at Ping a $10 to help me carry it up a couple flights of stairs.

I gotta think that transfers to a 5000 inch TV. Right?

Also.... The price.... If a jumbrotron cost 100,000k 10 years ago, based on TV prices it has to cost wayyyyy less now, right?




Xavier's new scoreboard (2010) is 14,700 pounds and cost $2 million. I can't find the cost for the LED ribbon that wraps around the entire arena. I imagine it's probably pocket change compared to the scoreboard. Learfield Sports paid for theirs, I doubt IMG would or could for Ohio unless sponsorship went through the roof.

http://www.ancsports.com/news/ncaa/cintas-center-unveils-scoreboard

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/07/13/story12.html?page=all
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I just cannot buy the "convo roof" story to the hanging scoreboard anymore. I am not an engineer.... All i know is that 10 years ago lifting a 50 inch TV was a struggle now I would pay some random kid at Ping a $10 to help me carry it up a couple flights of stairs.

I gotta think that transfers to a 5000 inch TV. Right?

Also.... The price.... If a jumbrotron cost 100,000k 10 years ago, based on TV prices it has to cost wayyyyy less now, right?


Xavier's new scoreboard (2010) is 14,700 pounds and cost $2 million. I can't find the cost for the LED ribbon that wraps around the entire arena. I imagine it's probably pocket change compared to the scoreboard. Learfield Sports paid for theirs, I doubt IMG would or could for Ohio unless sponsorship went through the roof.

http://www.ancsports.com/news/ncaa/cintas-center-unveils-...

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/07/13/...
Wow, 7.5 Tons! That's hefty!

In regards to Purdue and the Convo, isn't the roof at the Convo a higher shaped dome? I'd imagine this would be a load bearing difference.
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I just cannot buy the "convo roof" story to the hanging scoreboard anymore. I am not an engineer.... All i know is that 10 years ago lifting a 50 inch TV was a struggle now I would pay some random kid at Ping a $10 to help me carry it up a couple flights of stairs.

I gotta think that transfers to a 5000 inch TV. Right?

Also.... The price.... If a jumbrotron cost 100,000k 10 years ago, based on TV prices it has to cost wayyyyy less now, right?




Xavier's new scoreboard (2010) is 14,700 pounds and cost $2 million. I can't find the cost for the LED ribbon that wraps around the entire arena. I imagine it's probably pocket change compared to the scoreboard. Learfield Sports paid for theirs, I doubt IMG would or could for Ohio unless sponsorship went through the roof.

http://www.ancsports.com/news/ncaa/cintas-center-unveils-scoreboard

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/07/13/story12.html?page=all

Thanks, that is good info.
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Posted: 1/30/2014 3:57 PM
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EMU's cost $1.6 million. I don't know the weight, but it is handsome.

We wouldn't even have to change their headline if we got one of our own:
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As I said earlier in this thread, whatever the weight of hanging scoreboards is today they are much lighter than just a decade ago.  And, as SBH pointed out, which I had forgotten until he reminded me, that old white speaker, that was suspended from overhead, had to weigh several tons.  I suspect you could put together a custom hanging scoreboard from a creative vendor using state-of-the-art flat screen technology that would weigh less than that old clunker.  
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Another issue that was discussed in the 90's was if a center hung scoreboard were installed, it would limit the buildings ability to support sound systems for potential concerts. I can't remember the name of the office on camps but it was responsible for promoting these kind of events on campus. I know the Convo used to host a lot of concerts in the 70's and 80's. I remember a couple in the 90's but that's it. I can't believe this would still be a concern. Now that Columbus has 2 major arenas I just don't see Athens pulling in any arena acts.

A center hung scoreboard would be a fantastic addition and would make the Convo experience that much better.
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When are the seats scheduled to be replaced? When they are, I wonder if they will be cushioned or hard plastic similar to a baseball stadium?
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One difference between now and when the Convo was built are the applicable codes governing allowable stresses in the structure. There have been many revisions to these codes over the years and the trend has always been more conservative. For example fatigue stress/failure is something that was almost never considered in the past (although cyclic loading is not really applicable in this case). I know snow loads were not considered during the design phase for buildings not so long ago. What once was adequate no longer is in a lot of cases so the example of something formerly hanging there doesn't really mean much.

I regularly work on upgrading capacities of steel structures (overhead cranes & their runways). If they wanted a center scoreboard it could be done. The dollar amount could swing wildly though depending on what the engineering firm finds. Sounds like a good capstone project for some young Civil Engineers. Seriously though, we have resources in house that can figure this kind of thing out.
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