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Topic: Xs and Os: "We played great, but our shots just wouldnt fall."
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bornacatfan
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Posted: 1/25/2014 9:30 PM
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I've said this before (and I'm hardly the only), but JC's history tends to be of teams that can't shoot the ball well. I'm worried we're trending in that direction.


Really?  Armon Gates, Eric Haut, Kevin Warzinski, Al Fisher, Youngblood, even Chris Singletary.  TJ Hall shot poorly today, but hasn't he been a decent shooter in his career?  I'm not sure that poor shooting performances lately really ties into the coach or his style.  Too many fans are too quick to give credit or blame to coaches after games.  When a win occurs, it doesn't  necessarily mean one coach outcoached the others.  Missed  free throws can win or lose a game, and frequently do, but is that a coach's fault?     



Agree with you on the premise that Coaches are blamed for execution far too often. It is interesting how we look at shooters. Would you want TJ or nick with the shot or the FT?  Shooters are like Porno....we know it when we see it. I don't see a lot of guys during his tenure that I think of as shooters in the same vein as the guys up at CMU a couple of years back. 

You can got through that list of guys and look at the % over the years at Kent  www.kentstatesports.com/sports/2013/9/12/MBB_0912133801.aspx and the numbers seem to indicate they were OK shooting but when I think of shooters at Kent off your list Haut who was there when JC took over looks like the best of the bunch and Gates was pretty consistent from the arc. Other than that the numbers are less than 40% from three and not all that good from 2 when compared to the rest of the NCAA. JC has only one or 2 years where he has more than one over 40% . Looking at the numbers it looks like they went down from the arc as the years went by. His 08 and 06 teams were pretty anemic shooting but pretty good defending. Not going to jump all in with Drags but I think he has a point worth considering
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:38 PM
I was wrong.  The problem is shooting!  Just look at the shooting percentages so far this year.  Only threeconsistent shooters on the team...Ndour and Kellogg and Smith.  We all think Wilkins is a decent shooter.  After him, why would you not play C-bell from an offensive standpoint?  Nobody else shoots the ball well CONSISTENTLY.  But, who cares about consistency!
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Posted: 1/27/2014 7:54 AM

I think the sentence in the thread title can be dead on, but slightly modified.  I would say this happens a fair bit: "We executed well but the shots just wouldn't fall." You can execute offensively and get the shots that you want, but when open shots don't fall, it looks like a failure.  I agree with what Bean said (I think, it was hard to hear) in the post game interview.  They got the shots they wanted, they just weren't falling.  I didn't think the zone caused them so many fits, they just were failing to make the open looks.  TJ had good look after good look and went 0-12 from the field.  Wilkins air balled an open 3.  Shots at the rim weren't falling, free throws weren't falling.  I think it's hard to blame the coach on shots not falling.  He drew up the plays, they lead to open looks, the players don't capitalize on them. 

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Posted: 1/27/2014 8:17 AM
I think generally this quote is NOT a dismissal of the importance of accurate shooting, it is just an explanation for how the results went down.  They are saying the execution was there, they got good looks and played good enough defense to win...They just didn't hit the shots.  The quote is often when a team shoots well below their season average.  They just don't go into too much detail beyond that, because what are they gonna do, say they need to keep their elbow in or eyes on the hoop?  I think everyone realizes shooting is important in the game of basketball.
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Posted: 1/27/2014 5:16 PM
There is a difference between saying, "We just didn't make our shots", and "Our shots just didn't fall".   The former makes sense; the latter seems to be implying that shooting results are random and somehow based on chance. 
All I'm saying is:  quit attributing a bad shooting night to mere chance. 
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Posted: 1/27/2014 5:55 PM
But I think it is fair to say that on a night by night basis, shooting results are at least somewhat random.  If the shooting percentage on that night was significantly lower than the norm for that team, and the coach feels the team executed enough to get regular or better looks at the basket, it is a fair point to make. 

 
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Posted: 1/27/2014 6:22 PM
The distribution of results vary--but in my mind, that's not random.  I don't think the cause of the shooting problems are random. 
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