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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:10 PM
Seriously, anybody count the "and 1s" in this game for WMU?  We need to be a whole lot smarter when a guy is finishing at the rim!  Giving up a 2 is bad enough but why make it a 3?  I'm sure there were at least 10 of those!
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:29 PM
Feels like we got Oakland' again...  Oaklanded? Crud.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:37 PM
We gave 90 points and 53 in the second. We are a very mediocre teams when we decided to be lazy and stop playing any defense. We let them shoot 59% from the floor. Poor effort
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:46 PM
oubobcatjohn wrote:expand_more
. We are a very mediocre teams when we decided to be lazy and stop playing any defense.


This is the problem. We should be just one team.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:48 PM
It is incomprehensible that someone could play high school basketball, start two years in the Big 12, have a whole year to work on his game and still be so clueless about playing point guard as Bean.  Dribble into the corner and pick it up? Please.  He had three straight turnovers on the second half. He doesn't do near enough on defense to even compensate for his offensive inabilities. 
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:03 PM
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It is incomprehensible that someone could play high school basketball, start two years in the Big 12, have a whole year to work on his game and still be so clueless about playing point guard as Bean.  Dribble into the corner and pick it up? Please.  He had three straight turnovers on the second half. He doesn't do near enough on defense to even compensate for his offensive inabilities. 

Time to Cut Bait, and Go Fishing for a JUCO PG. Of course we should "wish him well in his future endeavors........." 

 
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:06 PM
Bean?
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:18 PM
McKinney and I mentioned Tava and Richie.

They combined for 13-18 from the field and 3-3 from 3 for a smooth 40 points. 
 
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:27 PM
Also a bummer they shot 35 free throws and we shot 11.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:27 PM
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It is incomprehensible that someone could play high school basketball, start two years in the Big 12, have a whole year to work on his game and still be so clueless about playing point guard as Bean.  Dribble into the corner and pick it up? Please.  He had three straight turnovers on the second half. He doesn't do near enough on defense to even compensate for his offensive inabilities. 

Time to Cut Bait, and Go Fishing for a JUCO PG. Of course we should "wish him well in his future endeavors........." 

 


Huh? Bean played 8 minutes and had 6 points on 2-2 from 3. Stevie played 35 minutes and had 12 points.  Ask why JC pulled Bean in the 1st half. He was playing well whereas Stevie was 0-2 on 3's and missed 2 FT's. If you think the TO by Bean when he got trapped was the turning point you really don't know a lot about basketball. WMU made adjustments and shot well in the last 30 minutes. I still don't comprehend why certain posters wanna take cheap shots at a 21 year old kid. It's a game. We lost.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:29 PM
Free throws-

Ohio- 7/11
WMU- 26/35

They outscored us at the line by 19, we lost by 16. Most of their FTs were +1s off of lay ups. If we had just let them blow by us instead of hacking them under the rim after we let them blow by us we could have won.

with all due respect to WMU, the thing I hate about losing to them is that I don't have any respect for their program. They're a middling program at best.

Hey, I said with all due respect.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:31 PM
Well, that was an ass-kicking. But, that's pretty normal for a trip to the Zoo. This would be easier to take if we hadn't crapped the bed at home vs BG and Akron.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:35 PM
I haven't seen the 1st vs 2nd half stats but it seemed a lot more of the "and 1s" were in the second half.  We just seemed to run out of gas in the 2nd half.  Slow to rebound, slow on D and slow to react.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:43 PM
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It is incomprehensible that someone could play high school basketball, start two years in the Big 12, have a whole year to work on his game and still be so clueless about playing point guard as Bean.  Dribble into the corner and pick it up? Please.  He had three straight turnovers on the second half. He doesn't do near enough on defense to even compensate for his offensive inabilities. 

Time to Cut Bait, and Go Fishing for a JUCO PG. Of course we should "wish him well in his future endeavors........." 

 


Huh? Bean played 8 minutes and had 6 points on 2-2 from 3. Stevie played 35 minutes and had 12 points.  Ask why JC pulled Bean in the 1st half. He was playing well whereas Stevie was 0-2 on 3's and missed 2 FT's. If you think the TO by Bean when he got trapped was the turning point you really don't know a lot about basketball. WMU made adjustments and shot well in the last 30 minutes. I still don't comprehend why certain posters wanna take cheap shots at a 21 year old kid. It's a game. We lost.

It's not cheap - scholarships are expensive. If you can't stand the heat, then, well you know............(go back to the Big 12?????).

I was unable to watch or listen until about 13 min left to go 2nd half. Soon as I turn on the radio I hear 2 TO's by Bean. Stevie comes back in and some positive things happen, then full team blows it.

Like I have said (and others) - no upside here. Next year we got the same 2 PG's back - what changes (besides losing 4 Seniors)? Plus Kellogg as perimeter ball handler gone. Time to go fishing, or we are in for a LONG year next year................

 


 
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:14 PM
Losing always sucks, but our club is 16-6.

Look on the bright side we are playing a team on Saturday that lost to Wilmington College.

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Posted: 2/6/2014 3:34 AM
LongDistancebobcat wrote:expand_more
It is incomprehensible that someone could play high school basketball, start two years in the Big 12, have a whole year to work on his game and still be so clueless about playing point guard as Bean.  Dribble into the corner and pick it up? Please.  He had three straight turnovers on the second half. He doesn't do near enough on defense to even compensate for his offensive inabilities. 


Overhyped from the start. Would not break my heart if he decides this isn't the program or system for him. For every 3 he makes....he makes 3 mistakes that brutally cost his team. Dude has had his moments, but not enough for me to believe he is a Division 1 Point Guard we can trust with the ball. 

Christian better have something up his sleeve for next year when it comes to a 2nd PG. 
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Posted: 2/6/2014 7:31 AM
This season has a sort of 2012 feel with the ups and downs.  Play great for a few games, then lay some eggs.  Show that we are good enough to win the MAC title by beating a good team...then lose to a mediocre team the next time out.  I understand WMU is a solid MAC team and that's a tough place to play, life on the road in the conference, I get it.

I'm not pressing the panic button at all, but squandering winnable conference games and playing down/up to your opponents can be frustrating to watch.  We have a team good enough to win out in Cleveland...but also inconsistent enough to lose in the quarterfinal round of the tourney to a team like BG.  How it plays out is really anyone's guess at this point.
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Posted: 2/6/2014 8:10 AM
We don't win the EMU or Toledo games without Bean. Is he the best backup we've had? No. Would you rather have one of Akron's PGs?
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Posted: 2/6/2014 9:59 AM
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We don't win the EMU or Toledo games without Bean. Is he the best backup we've had? No. Would you rather have one of Akron's PGs?

That's a good point. I think we all thought we would be getting a kit more out of Bean, but what teams in the MAC have a better backup point guard? Some teams don't even have a better starting point guard. Good ones are hard to come by.
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Posted: 2/6/2014 11:59 AM
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Free throws-

Ohio- 7/11
WMU- 26/35

They outscored us at the line by 19, we lost by 16. Most of their FTs were +1s off of lay ups. If we had just let them blow by us instead of hacking them under the rim after we let them blow by us we could have won.

with all due respect to WMU, the thing I hate about losing to them is that I don't have any respect for their program. They're a middling program at best.

Hey, I said with all due respect.


In our defense we should have gone to the line about ten more times than we did.  After a while we just stopped driving because we weren't getting the same calls they were.  That's not to say we should have won but Nick alone should have gone to the line about four or five more times.    Frankly I thought Christian should have tried to get T'd up on the one exchange where Nick drove was hammered by three guys and then got a touch foul on the other end. Now that being said we played amazingly stupid defense last night.
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Posted: 2/6/2014 12:08 PM
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Overhyped from the start. Would not break my heart if he decides this isn't the program or system for him. For every 3 he makes....he makes 3 mistakes that brutally cost his team. Dude has had his moments, but not enough for me to believe he is a Division 1 Point Guard we can trust with the ball. 

Christian better have something up his sleeve for next year when it comes to a 2nd PG. 


I said it when we he transferred here (if anyone wants to do the research)that playing in the Big 12 isn't all that impressive if the team you are playing on is terrible (they were) and your numbers are terrible (they were). He essientially is a shooting guard that we continue to play at the point.  What I don't get is that when both he and Stevie are in the game at the same time he brings the ball up.  That play last night where he dribbled into the trap in the corner is a snapshot of his problem.  He has zero court vision. He decides what he's going to do and he sticks to that plan no matter what.   If I'm Christian I am making him a 2 and having Nick play the 1 when Stevie is out. 
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Posted: 2/6/2014 1:37 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Overhyped from the start. Would not break my heart if he decides this isn't the program or system for him. For every 3 he makes....he makes 3 mistakes that brutally cost his team. Dude has had his moments, but not enough for me to believe he is a Division 1 Point Guard we can trust with the ball. 

Christian better have something up his sleeve for next year when it comes to a 2nd PG. 


I said it when we he transferred here (if anyone wants to do the research)that playing in the Big 12 isn't all that impressive if the team you are playing on is terrible (they were) and your numbers are terrible (they were). He essientially is a shooting guard that we continue to play at the point.  What I don't get is that when both he and Stevie are in the game at the same time he brings the ball up.  That play last night where he dribbled into the trap in the corner is a snapshot of his problem.  He has zero court vision. He decides what he's going to do and he sticks to that plan no matter what.   If I'm Christian I am making him a 2 and having Nick play the 1 when Stevie is out. 


Count me in...on all of the above. 
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