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Posted: 3/6/2014 9:12 AM

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I thought I would try to figure out where we could fall in the Tourney seeding process and whod we be playing. Here's what I came up with. For some reason I thought there were more scenarios when I started. It looks like we're down to the 4, 5 or 6 seed.

4th Seed

Ohio beats Miami, Kent beats Akron, Toledo beats EMU

We hold the tie breaker over Akron (Neither beat WMU, both split with UB, but Ohio is 1-1 against Toledo, Zips are 0-1).

Next Game: vs. TBD in Quarter Finals in Cleveland.

5th Seed

Scenario 1 - Ohio beats Miami, Kent beats Akron, EMU beats Toledo

This would cause a 3 way tie between Akron Ohio and EMU. Akron would win the tie breaker on head to head winning percentage vs tied teams (3-1 for Akron, 2-1 for Ohio, 1-3 for EMU). Akron would get the 4, and we will get the 5 based on beating EMU.

Next Game: Monday vs. #12 (BSU or CMU) in Athens.*

Scenario 2 - Ohio beats Miami, Akron beats Kent

Obviously, if both Ohio and Akron win, we finish a game behind UA. Even if EMU beats Toledo, we win the tie breaker. (1-0 head to head)

Next Game: Monday vs. #12 (BSU or CMU) in Athens.*

Scenario 3 - Miami beats Ohio, Toledo beats EMU

We would finish tied with EMU, but win the head to head tie breaker.

Next Game: Monday vs. #12 (BSU or CMU) in Athens.*

6th Seed

Miami beats Ohio, EMU beats Toledo

We finish all alone in 6th place at 10-8 (only one game ahead of Miami).

Next Game: Monday vs. #11 (BSU or CMU) in Athens.*

* If Ball State beats NIU and CMU loses to WMU, they would be tied at 3-15. In this case BSU gets the 11 seed based on beating Buffalo and CMU would be 12. Otherwise CMU is 11 and BSU 12.

EDIT: The tie breaker info was in the weekly release from 3/4. (Bottom of page 3)

http://www.mac-sports.com/Portals/20/MBD30414.pdf

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Ties in winning percentage, and thus for tournament, seeding positions shall be broken as follows:

1. Between TWO teams:

A. Head-to-head competition

B. Division Record (10 games)^

C. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division, vs.

common opponents regardless of the number of times played)

D. Coin flip

2. For MULTIPLE (3 or more) team ties:

E. Total won-lost record/winning percentage* of games played among the tied teams

F. Two (2)-team tie-breaker procedure goes into effect (refer to A)

[NOTE: Once a three-team tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker will go into effect.]

^ - For the purpose of determining the Division champion

* - Winning percentage is used instead of record because of situations where teams do not play each other

the same number of times. Therefore, a team that is 1-0 (1.000) would win the tiebreaker over a team

that is 1-1 (.500).

Last Edited: 3/6/2014 10:01:37 AM by Eagle66

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Posted: 3/6/2014 9:24 AM

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And if we lose....

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Posted: 3/6/2014 9:25 AM

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According to a tweet by Jason Arkley, if EMU wins we cannot get the #4 seed. I think he said it's because they go to combined record of the tied teams. Akron swept EMU so they went 3-1 while we were 2-1.

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Posted: 3/6/2014 9:46 AM

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cc cat wrote:expand_more

And if we lose....

There are two items listed if Miami beats Ohio.

OUVan wrote:expand_more

Yup, I didn't remember Akron played EMU twice. Its updated.

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Posted: 3/6/2014 9:57 AM

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There's yet another flaw in the uneven scheduling. Ohio would be penalized by not having a chance to beat Eastern Michigan a second time and instead playing (and beating once) a team that was better than the Eagles.

Last Edited: 3/6/2014 9:58:45 AM by UpSan Bobcat

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Posted: 3/6/2014 11:32 AM

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UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more

OUVan wrote:expand_more

Unless the MAC goes to a 22-game conference (all in favor, have your head examined) the scheduling will always be uneven. If we play each team in the West once, we face three teams only on the road while somebody else in the East plays them only at home. That's less unfair than playing the top two West teams twice, but it's still unfair.

The flaw is not in the scheduling but in ourselves. If we had a winning home record, we wouldn't be in this position. We had Akron and BGSUcks beaten at the Convo but let them get away. And we dug ourselves holes that were too deep against WMU, Buffalo & Kent to climb out of, even at home. The schedule is what it is. We lost some home games we should've/could've won and now we're paying the price.

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