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Posted: 3/1/2014 4:33 PM
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I definitely believe we have the right coach in Jim Christian. We are 19-10 and 9-7 in the league. If BGSucks beats Kron we are now tied with Eastern and Kron and we hold the tie-breaker with both. We have to take care of business now on the road against Sucks and Fiami. Like I said, this team can get hot. I can't see shooting as bad as we did today. But the 3's and the drives have to stop (the other team). We cannot give up such easy drives and we aren't closing out on 3's. We are longer than we were last year and yet we allow teams to shoot lights out on us. I predicted a 21-9 year so 21-10 and 11-7 in MAC wouldn't be horrible. Get that 4-seed!
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I can't understand this team. I get the injuries. But to lose like this to Kent after beating them at their place by 10? Mo seems like a shell of himself. Nick isn't attacking like he once did. I don't think either men are First Team players anymore. I actually think Setty should start now, which I cannot believe I'm saying. Did our seniors decide together to collectively lose today? All of them but Travis were terrible. I know we can catch fire in the tournament but unless Kron loses we are a 5 or 6 seed and we could lose at home in first round.


It starts with the man who leads them and he's never been known as a master motivator. Managing adversity is not his strength. 


I'm not so sure about that, he's only the most successful coach in MAC history.  Groce had head scratching losses too.  Akron has lost several in a row, does that now mean Dambrot's a bad coach all of a sudden?   


With all due respect Mark, on what do you base that fact ?


I assume he meant win percentage ...

The all-time winningest coach in Mid-American Conference history, Jim Christian became the 17th head coach in Ohio men's basketball history in April 2012.

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/christian_...
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Posted: 3/1/2014 5:11 PM
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Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
I can't understand this team. I get the injuries. But to lose like this to Kent after beating them at their place by 10? Mo seems like a shell of himself. Nick isn't attacking like he once did. I don't think either men are First Team players anymore. I actually think Setty should start now, which I cannot believe I'm saying. Did our seniors decide together to collectively lose today? All of them but Travis were terrible. I know we can catch fire in the tournament but unless Kron loses we are a 5 or 6 seed and we could lose at home in first round.


It starts with the man who leads them and he's never been known as a master motivator. Managing adversity is not his strength. 


I'm not so sure about that, he's only the most successful coach in MAC history.  Groce had head scratching losses too.  Akron has lost several in a row, does that now mean Dambrot's a bad coach all of a sudden?   


With all due respect Mark, on what do you base that fact ?


I assume he meant win percentage ...

The all-time winningest coach in Mid-American Conference history, Jim Christian became the 17th head coach in Ohio men's basketball history in April 2012.

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/christian_...


Thanks Jerry.  A look at the MAC records show two things - coaches with more wins and a higher winning percentage.
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Posted: 3/1/2014 5:11 PM
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Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
I can't understand this team. I get the injuries. But to lose like this to Kent after beating them at their place by 10? Mo seems like a shell of himself. Nick isn't attacking like he once did. I don't think either men are First Team players anymore. I actually think Setty should start now, which I cannot believe I'm saying. Did our seniors decide together to collectively lose today? All of them but Travis were terrible. I know we can catch fire in the tournament but unless Kron loses we are a 5 or 6 seed and we could lose at home in first round.


It starts with the man who leads them and he's never been known as a master motivator. Managing adversity is not his strength. 


I'm not so sure about that, he's only the most successful coach in MAC history.  Groce had head scratching losses too.  Akron has lost several in a row, does that now mean Dambrot's a bad coach all of a sudden?   


With all due respect Mark, on what do you base that fact ?


I assume he meant win percentage ...

The all-time winningest coach in Mid-American Conference history, Jim Christian became the 17th head coach in Ohio men's basketball history in April 2012.

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/christian_...


That's what I meant Jerry86, thank you.  Coach Christian did very well @ KSU; his only issue was trying to win NCAA Tourney or NIT games, where he was 0-fer.
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Posted: 3/1/2014 5:27 PM
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Hey don't get me wrong, he's had a great record in the MAC but these pronouncements of the all time best can be a bit misleading without offering up the disclaimers such as with 6 or more seasons in the MAC.  Hunsaker and Sendek both have higher winning percentages but in 4 and 3 years respectively.
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The opening tip was a beautiful gesture for Ricardo Johnson, obviously pre-arranged. Does anyone know if the tip to Johnson was also part of this, or were they just going to stop the game once someone gained possession?
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Posted: 3/1/2014 5:58 PM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Hey don't get me wrong, he's had a great record in the MAC but these pronouncements of the all time best can be a bit misleading without offering up the disclaimers such as with 6 or more seasons in the MAC.  Hunsaker and Sendek both have higher winning percentages but in 4 and 3 years respectively.


No worries Alan!  I was only reacting to the general tenor that Coach Christian is a poor coach when his general record indicates otherwise, NCAA Tourney and NIT record notwithstanding.

Ohio is at about where most people thought we'd be this year; not many were predicting us to win 24 plus games.  Not every year is a 25-5 year.  One of my favorite coaches is Gary Waters at Cleveland State.  A very successful coach.  Last year they were 14-17.  This year they have 20 wins already and are 2nd in the Horizon League .  John Calipari won a national championship 2 year ago.  Last year Kentucky couldn't make it past the NIT first round.  I'm just saying let's let this play out before labeling Coach Christian a failure at Ohio.
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The opening tip was a beautiful gesture for Ricardo Johnson, obviously pre-arranged. Does anyone know if the tip to Johnson was also part of this, or were they just going to stop the game once someone gained possession?

The tip was no pre-arranged "gimme". After bJon got the tip - the ball was passed to Ric - then the whistle.

 
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I was highly critical of JC's hire a few years ago and I am still not on board with his coaching ability. He is not a game coach and does not change up a game plan when it is not working.
Time for a change!

Go home Bob, you're drunk. 

 

I'm finally home after the game - and proceeding to have a few - maybe will get drunk. I assume Bob was drunk hours ago. JC is very frustrated by the execution, the execution of a roster of coming off bench players, and injured starters. How do you "change up a game plan" with this? Setty driving is great - but that does not make up for what Mo can do if not hampered by injury - or TJ. We have no other PG option than Bean w/Stevie hampered. Nick is not the PG option we need - we need Nick scoring/getting the dish or driving - not dishing. 



 
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Posted: 3/1/2014 7:35 PM
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RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
The opening tip was a beautiful gesture for Ricardo Johnson, obviously pre-arranged. Does anyone know if the tip to Johnson was also part of this, or were they just going to stop the game once someone gained possession?

The tip was no pre-arranged "gimme". After bJon got the tip - the ball was passed to Ric - then the whistle.

 


John was bound and determined to get that tip - this was no set-up at all.  Sometimes I wonder if I'm watching the same game as some of the posters on here and in the stands behind me.    Thanks for the front row report of the event RS - your assessment is right on.
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
The opening tip was a beautiful gesture for Ricardo Johnson, obviously pre-arranged. Does anyone know if the tip to Johnson was also part of this, or were they just going to stop the game once someone gained possession?

The tip was no pre-arranged "gimme". After bJon got the tip - the ball was passed to Ric - then the whistle.

 


John was bound and determined to get that tip - this was no set-up at all.  Sometimes I wonder if I'm watching the same game as some of the posters on here and in the stands behind me.    Thanks for the front row report of the event RS - your assessment is right on.

Well - I happened to be also privy to within earshot of JC talk w/Ric before they went onto the floor...........

Jon had to get that tip - and he did!

 





 
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If anything, the refs stopping play for the injury time out was the only thing pre-arranged. We won't ever know if it would have been whistled had KSU won the tip, but I suspect it would not have.

I think that gesture speaks volumes about our coach. I wouldn't trade him away.
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If anything, the refs stopping play for the injury time out was the only thing pre-arranged. We won't ever know if it would have been whistled had KSU won the tip, but I suspect it would not have.

I think that gesture speaks volumes about our coach. I wouldn't trade him away.

I think you are correct - and that means Jon had to get the tip

 
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RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
The opening tip was a beautiful gesture for Ricardo Johnson, obviously pre-arranged. Does anyone know if the tip to Johnson was also part of this, or were they just going to stop the game once someone gained possession?

The tip was no pre-arranged "gimme". After bJon got the tip - the ball was passed to Ric - then the whistle.

 
Thanks RSBobcat, I missed the tip itself and  saw the ball in Ricardo's hands when the ref stopped the game, and assumed he got it directly from John. 

 
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bob gross wrote:expand_more
I was highly critical of JC's hire a few years ago and I am still not on board with his coaching ability. He is not a game coach and does not change up a game plan when it is not working.
Time for a change!


Meanwhile, Coach Groce rolls into East Lansing and hands an injury riddled Sparty squad a loss.  They must not have a game coach either....  FIRE IZZO!
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I'm less interested in a game coach, give me a program architect all day. 

Not that JC is a bad in-game coach - I think he's handled this team well. The several big comebacks surely have JC's fingerprints on them. 

 
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