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Posted: 3/16/2014 12:27 PM
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After watching parts of several tourneys I've come to the conclusion that the tourneys of the one-bid conferences are a lot more exciting than the "power" conference tourneys.  It really is all-or-nothing for the one-bid conferences.  Each game may very well be your last this year.  But for at least half of the "power" conference teams, losing the conference tourney isn't such a big deal.  You get to play next week in the NCAA tourney, so it's largely just another game.  I thought Setty was near tears in the waning minutes of Thursday's Akron game.  I haven't seen one of the "power" players even get upset about losing their conference tourney.  The emotion just isn't there.  Boring.
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Posted: 3/16/2014 1:03 PM
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After watching parts of several tourneys I've come to the conclusion that the tourneys of the one-bid conferences are a lot more exciting than the "power" conference tourneys.  It really is all-or-nothing for the one-bid conferences.  Each game may very well be your last this year.  But for at least half of the "power" conference teams, losing the conference tourney isn't such a big deal.  You get to play next week in the NCAA tourney, so it's largely just another game.  I thought Setty was near tears in the waning minutes of Thursday's Akron game.  I haven't seen one of the "power" players even get upset about losing their conference tourney.  The emotion just isn't there.  Boring.


2005 C-USA Championship Game: Louisville led on-the-bubble Memphis by 2, when Darius Washington was fouled shooting a 3 with no time, he shot 3 free throws at the end, only made the first, and was inconsolable afterward. Memphis would make the NIT semifinals before losing to St. Joseph's.

Not sure if C-USA was considered a major power conference back then, but they were closer then than they are now...
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Posted: 3/16/2014 3:57 PM
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Brufus, I think your story doesn't mean the criteria because Memphis missed the tournament. The point I think trying to be made is that teams don't feel so bad about losing in the big conference tournaments because they're still getting into the NCAA Tournament. There is a lot less on the line.
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Posted: 3/16/2014 5:07 PM
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Not sure what games you have been watching but I saw Duke vs. Virginia, Tennessee vs. Florida, Michigan vs. Ohio State, Duke vs. NC State and honestly, they were all pretty damn good games!  If you don't think these kids care, then that's your opinion but (to me) they look like they left everything on the court to me!
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Posted: 3/16/2014 5:54 PM
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Ummmmm....did you just see the Fla. vs. KY. game?  Think you might need to rethink your original comment 
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Posted: 3/16/2014 6:10 PM
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I just saw MSU beat Michigan and none of the Michigan players looked that disappointed.  No one had to be consoled.  Earlier today VCU lost to St Joe.  Shaka's players looked disappointed but nobody there's hiding the sharp instruments tonight.  They knew they were playing later this week.  There might've been good games in the "power" conferences but I haven't seen a lot of players all torn up about losing.
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Posted: 3/16/2014 6:31 PM
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What?  To generalize "power conference tourneys are boring" is just plain silly.  I saw coaches and players being T'd up, kids fighting on the ground for loose balls, yelling, screaming and complete joy when winning....are you kidding me?  I don't know what you were watching but I saw A LOT of passion (even in the big conference tourneys)!
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I kinda agree with the boring.  Those teams should have close contests for the most part since their recruiting is easier than that of the MAC and consistently brings in top players.

I'd much rather watch a 'surprise' team do its thing.  Every year there are fine games during the regular season, the conference tournaments and the NCAAs.  No doubt.  But I'm much more excited by Cinderella that Duke or Louisville fielding really good teams.  Hello Gulf Coast and Ohio.

A freshman phenom playing well is interesting.  But Nick Kellogg developing from a pure shooter to a leader with a much wider arsenal is much more compelling to me.

Duke fan, guess what?!  You just signed three top national recruits.  Yawn.

 
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It's one thing to state how interested you are in certain teams and leagues.  It's another to say the games are boring (the original statement) in power conferences.  And to infer power conference players don't care about the outcome of the tournament games.  Again, that's just silly!
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It's one thing to state how interested you are in certain teams and leagues.  It's another to say the games are boring (the original statement) in power conferences.


Seems those two things are pretty similar, if not the same thing.
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Brufus, I think your story doesn't mean the criteria because Memphis missed the tournament. The point I think trying to be made is that teams don't feel so bad about losing in the big conference tournaments because they're still getting into the NCAA Tournament. There is a lot less on the line.


I think a better example then would be Nebraska, because they were on the bubble, and I didn't expect them to get an at-large after losing their only game in the Big Ten Tournament, especially after they blew a huge lead. My point is if you're on the bubble, it doesn't matter what conference, you want to win...
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Posted: 3/16/2014 8:42 PM
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It's one thing to state how interested you are in certain teams and leagues.  It's another to say the games are boring (the original statement) in power conferences.


Seems those two things are pretty similar, if not the same thing.


Very true.  I guess it's your opinion...just wish the subject would have started off, "IMO power conferences..."  I personally don't feel like they are boring and enjoy watching college basketball played by teams with elite talent.  I personally believe these coaches and players get just as excited and are just as passionate as any small/mid major program.  Again, just my opinion!
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Posted: 3/16/2014 8:44 PM
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Isn't it clear that's his opinion and not a statement of fact? Why ask for a redundant and unnecessary addition to the subject line?
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Posted: 3/16/2014 8:52 PM
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Isn't it clear that's his opinion and not a statement of fact? Why ask for a redundant and unnecessary addition to the subject line?


Question, are you ever happy?  I know I don't post a lot but are days ever bright for you?  All your comments seem to be...very....well, you already know.
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All your comments seem to be...very....well, you already know.


No, all my comments seem to be what?
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Posted: 3/16/2014 11:11 PM
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All your comments seem to be...very....well, you already know.


No, all my comments seem to be what?

OK - I'll have a shot at this:
  1. Contrary
  2. Brief
  3. Soulless
  4. Fact (typically not "Facts" - see "Brief above)
  5. Sometimes seem "Gotcha" motivated
Nothing wrong with any of that - rub some the wrong way sometimes though I think. I just got used to it. Facts, just the facts (er, "fact"), what harm in that? Some more enthusiastic flag waving on a fan site would be welcome though.
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Posted: 3/16/2014 11:22 PM
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You'll forgive me if I'm a little confused. I get accused of being both an apologist (one person told me "the Ohio AD can do no wrong in your eyes") and overly pessimistic/never happy.

I will cop to being brief and soulless. Not on this message board, but as a person.
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I will cop to being brief and soulless. Not on this message board, but as a person.

Cure - Stand Up And Cheer!

 
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Posted: 3/17/2014 10:15 AM
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Brufus, I think your story doesn't mean the criteria because Memphis missed the tournament. The point I think trying to be made is that teams don't feel so bad about losing in the big conference tournaments because they're still getting into the NCAA Tournament. There is a lot less on the line.


I think a better example then would be Nebraska, because they were on the bubble, and I didn't expect them to get an at-large after losing their only game in the Big Ten Tournament, especially after they blew a huge lead. My point is if you're on the bubble, it doesn't matter what conference, you want to win...


Right, I think the original point is that there is less on the line for many teams (but not all). Seven out of 10 teams from the Big 12 got in the NCAA tournament, so how much each tournament game meant was probably pretty minimal except for the three teams holding out hope that they could somehow win the conference tournament and get in. Even then, when you know losing is nearly inevitable, I think you're kind of prepared for it a little more. For the rest of them, much less was on the line than in the MAC where probably six teams really felt they had a shot to win the conference tournament all pretty well knew they had to do that to get into the NCAAs. There is nothing to fall back on like there is for Duke or Michigan or teams like that.
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