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Posted: 3/16/2013 8:45 PM
I'm not a JC fanboy, but this ridiculous.  JC didn't have anything to do with DJ having his worst game as a Bobcat.  Also, this team has lived and died by the three all season long.  We really need a Big Manz at center.  I understand we have some Big 'Uns coming in next year.  In the meantime, let's refocus on winning the NIT!
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Posted: 3/16/2013 8:53 PM
Brief thoughts on JC after season 1

1) Good game planner. Seems to have the teams well prepared and a good strategy aligned.
2) Horrible in game coach. We watched teams make adjustments at half against us all year while we made none. Happened again tonight. Also no feel for timeouts and rotations.
3) Recruiting - Not enough info to make a decision.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 8:56 PM
Good summary.  He is not a good game coach.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 9:26 PM
So base o the fact that we came within a single free throw of defeating UNC last year and making it to the elite 8 - we should have expected a team that hovers right around the top ten this year.

No, but it does mean that they should not be completely embarassed by Memphis, Oklahoma, and Akron in a championship game on a neutral court when Akron is missing its starting point guard. Not when they are presumably a year older, wiser, and more experienced.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 9:27 PM
Sorry but that''s simply not true.

Sorry, Van, with all due respect, I'll defer to Magic Johnson on this one.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 10:34 PM
wow

Not sure where I went after this game......I stopped reading this thread after page 2. May have to come back to it tomorrow after the GF heads for home. Looks pretty entertaining
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Posted: 3/16/2013 11:03 PM
It appeared to me that our game plan was flawed.  First half, we really decided to take it to'em inside and it was somewhat effective but it was going right at their strength and they didnt foul so they didn't get into foul trouble.  Problem was it never got our shooters into a rhythm.  Then, second half we just couldn't hit anything, lost composure, got frustrated and were buried.  The akron bigs and doubles on DJ took him out of the game and DJ's supporting cast just wasn't good enough to beat Akron for the third time this year.

Looks like the odd number years are Akrons('09,'11,'13), maybe next year will be ours ('10, '12, '14?)! 
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Posted: 3/17/2013 12:25 AM
It's hard to believe that our MAC MVP who is a senior, picks tonight of all nights to shoot blanks. That his nemesis is out and his match up is a freshman,  and our opponent was just rocked by a scandal. You couldn't make that up. And we were up at the half.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 12:36 AM
Wanna know the answer...'cause I think that you are mostly missing the point.

Take a look at the three box scores against 'kron.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 2:07 AM
Going 1-20 from 3 has zero to do with coaching, rotations, bench coaching, or any of the above.  Players are accountable for this dismantling.  If you have ever played, you will know that you have a couple of clunkers throughout the year.  Unfortunately for us, this was one of them tonight.  I would love to know in games where DJ scores 3 points what OUr chances to win would be? I would say zero, based on what I have seen over the last 4 years.  The one thing I do find odd is player confidence.  In order fro us to win consistently, Ivo Baltic and Nick Kellog needed to be around 10 ppg contributors.  In my opinion, both of these players could never get their confidence going all year long.  Looking back at last year, mostly this was NOT the case.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 2:13 AM
cats28 wrote:expand_more
The one thing I do find odd is player confidence.  In order fro us to win consistently, Ivo Baltic and Nick Kellog needed to be around 10 ppg contributors.  In my opinion, both of these players could never get their confidence going all year long.  Looking back at last year, mostly this was NOT the case.


Different coaches. Different people. Different personalities. Different methods. Players respond to these differences...well, differently and their confidence reflects it. The bulk of our team I would put into the "not good" category of how they responded to JC this season. Like I said in the other thread, JC was a hire for the future, not for this season. For this season, being forced to coach Groce's players, he was a downright awful fit. 
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Posted: 3/17/2013 8:40 AM
Can someone who is in the know please explain what goes on in a JC locker room at half time?  I think we only came out strong in the second half in one game? Maybe he should take a  page from George from Seinfeld and say the opposite of what he thinks.  The results could not be any worse.


If the drought was any longer in the last nights second half, we could have applied to the USDA for emergency assistance.

I am a big fan of the players, congratulations guys for giving it your all.   Just not a big fan of the coach. We all deserved better than this.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 10:14 AM
Like I said in the other thread, JC was a hire for the future, not for this season. For this season, being forced to coach Groce's players, he was a downright awful fit. 


 I tend to think the opposite. I think the adminstration felt that bringing in an established coach who had success in the MAC would more likely continue the success from last year than by bringing in an untested assistant from a big program. The administration knew JC's history in the MAC, and figured that JC could at least return them to the NCAA tournament.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 2:19 PM
Totally agree. Arkon coach sends his center Zeke Marshall to guard Cooper with much success. At half time, coach Christian does not counter this move and his strategy for the second half was a disaster. Coach Christian had success at Kent St. but did not have a winning record at TCU. After last year's success, this team should have done far better.
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Posted: 3/17/2013 2:32 PM
I don't need to sugarcoat my dislike for Christian. For whatever reason, he can't win in March which happens to be the only time of the year that matters in a one bid league.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 7:11 AM
Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around in my head...

This thread has really bothered me since its inception last season.  I don't think many of the comments on this thread properly depict the Jim Christian that we will see.

I believe we are seeing more of a Jim Christian team on the floor this year. 

These young men are hungry and I am excited to see how we progress.  Our seniors are impressing me in regards to their maturity and growth through the off season. 

We would not be at 5-1 without Maurice N'Dour.

After watching the head coach of Mercer parade around last night on the sidelines, I am thankful we have Jim Christian and his staff.

The next two years will be a better evaluation of Jim and his coaching abilities.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 7:43 AM
I agree, the Mercer coach was ridiculous ...JC is fine , Ndour ... Well how lucky are we! We freaked a bit when he tweaked his ankle? -1st half...good start , long season ahead .
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Posted: 11/27/2013 8:26 AM
What I didn't understand when JC was hired was  the critics panning his pace of play.  They thought he would play a plodding style.  He wants to push the ball, but if there's nothing there, he won't settle for quick shots.  Look at the Mercer game.  Push it and then run your offense.  The wings recruited for next year will help this style even more.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 8:42 AM
LongDistancebobcat wrote:expand_more
What I didn't understand when JC was hired was  the critics panning his pace of play.  They thought he would play a plodding style.  He wants to push the ball, but if there's nothing there, he won't settle for quick shots.  Look at the Mercer game.  Push it and then run your offense.  The wings recruited for next year will help this style even more.


We did push the ball very well against Mercer.  I also noticed that when we swung the ball around the horn at least twice while running our high pick and roll offensive set the floor opened up for some really good shots and penetration.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 9:44 AM
LongDistancebobcat wrote:expand_more
What I didn't understand when JC was hired was  the critics panning his pace of play.  They thought he would play a plodding style.  He wants to push the ball, but if there's nothing there, he won't settle for quick shots.  Look at the Mercer game.  Push it and then run your offense.  The wings recruited for next year will help this style even more.


In a couple of the games I have watched, this team buys into Christian's secondary break more than last year's. He has a little bit of Roy Williams' style in him in that sense. He certainly doesn't try to put up the number of shots that a Williams coached team does, but the secondary break is a huge part of the Carolina system.

Just because you don't get a dunk or layup or wide open shot doesn't mean you can't stop playing in transition. The more you keep the defense moving by swinging the ball back and forth, especially right after a fast break, the more the defense is going to move around and most likely out of position. It helps to have a team that really shares the ball, which this one does. I like what I'm seeing so far.
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Posted: 1/10/2014 7:51 AM
I find it interesting that Coach Christian seemingly has Rob Senderoff figured out.  I believe we are 3-0 against Kent with Christian's return.  It would be very interesting to hear their conversations after each game.  Does anybody know what our record was versus Kent with Groce as the head coach?
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Posted: 1/10/2014 8:24 AM
JG was 4-5 against Kent.  Here is what I find interesting (including MAC Tourney):

JC:

0-3 against Akron
16-0 against MAC teams not named Akron.

JG:

6-4 against Akron
36-29 against MAC teams not named Akron.
Last Edited: 1/10/2014 8:25:04 AM by Andrew Ruck
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Posted: 1/10/2014 10:01 AM
Coaches are vital for building a team (recruiting, lineups), and strategy and plays are obviously important, but I think fans get carried away with game-to-game "outcoaching" stuff. Akron was a match-up problem for us last year. They had two great bigs in Marshall and Treadwell, and our success hinged on hitting outside shots. As to Christian besting Senderoff, I think our team is better, and even at that, both our wins last year came down to the last shot of the game, so it's not like dominance was established.

Whatever JC does to prep his teams for conference games, I'm glad he's doing it. He'll never say, "that's life on the road in the MAC." He seems to have the players recognizing that every game matters, and that's how we got a share of last year's title, even though he was "outcoached" three times against Akron. 

 
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Posted: 1/10/2014 2:57 PM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
Coaches are vital for building a team (recruiting, lineups), and strategy and plays are obviously important, but I think fans get carried away with game-to-game "outcoaching" stuff. 
 

Hear hear. A voice of reason that is not Voice of Reason. 

Every board does it. Universal fan knee jerk

As for Sendy I will keep saying it.....as long as he is on the sideline I never underestimate his ability to put his team in a position to lose. 

 
Last Edited: 1/10/2014 2:59:07 PM by bornacatfan
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Posted: 1/11/2014 12:19 AM
To me, 'kron was better than us last year.  When I watched us play them, I could sense that, at the end of the game, they'd have a higher score than we had.  Not that they'd stroll to a W over us, just that it looked like they'd find a way to get it done.

 
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