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Posted: 3/28/2014 11:15 AM
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No, not starting times, but the time it takes to play a game.  Check out this chart.  Unbelieveable!

http://regressing.deadspin.com/how-long-does-the-final-mi...
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Posted: 3/28/2014 12:23 PM
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Ridiculous, but entirely believable. Largely a product of many close, competitive games, though. I'm not sure what to do to speed things up, though, other than not allowing a second timeout to be called if no time has run off since the last one. I hate that noise. Not a common enough delay to have much impact, though.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 12:28 PM
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All of those games except 9 were already over two hours before they got to the last minute.  That in itself is a problem.  Between 4 media timeouts each half and all the others that each team gets, there are just too many time outs.  For the teams that save them up till the end, it's excrutiating.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 12:49 PM
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The main reason the last minute of the NCAA tourney games is so long is that CBS/TBS/TNT/True have been going to commercial with each timeout down the stretch.  30-sec timeouts become one to two minutes long.  In closer games there are more timeouts with more commercials and more delays.  ESPN didn't do that during the regular season because they usually had another game after the one they were airing and didn't want to cut into the other game's time.  CBS et al don't have that problem; they're running only the games from one site on each network so it doesn't really matter if the game runs long.  An interesting comparison would be between the NCAA games and the NIT games aired by ESPN and the CBI/CIT games that aren't televised.
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Pataskala wrote:expand_more
 An interesting comparison would be between the NCAA games and the NIT games aired by ESPN and the CBI/CIT games that aren't televised.

Pretty good point. 

I don't really have a problem as it lets me go back and forth while the other games are on. With overlappig multiple games I just swap PIP screens. 

Baseball/Football are much longer and infinitely less active than hoops for me. There is something to the number of TIme outs available and the length of the breaks in the tourney due to commercial breaks. All in all though I am pretty comfy with the length of hoops right now. Commercials can be used to fold laundry, make popcorn, get my evening vitamins....so ....no problem ALan. 

 
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Posted: 3/30/2014 6:09 PM
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Those commercials aren't 1 or 2 minutes, they're 30 second spots. They do not add any time to the game, except maybe marginally if they hold the ball for a few seconds for the broadcast to get back. Typically though they use those late timeouts to the end anyways, until the officials force them to break.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 8:56 PM
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anorris wrote:expand_more
Those commercials aren't 1 or 2 minutes, they're 30 second spots. They do not add any time to the game, except maybe marginally if they hold the ball for a few seconds for the broadcast to get back. Typically though they use those late timeouts to the end anyways, until the officials force them to break.
Media timeouts range from :90 to :180 seconds.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 9:13 PM
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Media timeouts range from :90 to :180 seconds.


Since you are pretty close to the situation can you tell us how many of those in a regular game in the last minute are media time outs vs coaches choice? 

I am not sure of the issue here....we all know that in a close game coaches are going to use the time outs. It is not like it does not happen throughout the year. Deadspin is notorious for making things a bit more sensational. Not sure I even want to read the article why beer in a can is better.....
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Posted: 3/30/2014 10:06 PM
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Media timeouts are at the 4 minute intervals.  They are the longer breaks (2 minutes). All others are coaches timeouts and are :30 seconds - occasionally :60.

 
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Posted: 3/30/2014 10:16 PM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Media timeouts range from :90 to :180 seconds.


Since you are pretty close to the situation can you tell us how many of those in a regular game in the last minute are media time outs vs coaches choice?

I am not sure of the issue here....we all know that in a close game coaches are going to use the time outs. It is not like it does not happen throughout the year. Deadspin is notorious for making things a bit more sensational. Not sure I even want to read the article why beer in a can is better.....
I'm no closer than the average fan, however me and some buddies timed them a few years ago and found them to be of varying lengths. I do believe there is also some rule about certain timeouts regardless of what they are called being extended according to what part of the game they are called in. Read an article that somewhere a game in these tournaments had 19 minutes of timeouts, not counting the half-time. However CC is correct that media TO's are at set increments. I figured a guru such as yourself would be able to tell us the answer to that question.

Born a here is some reading material for you. http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Basketball/sc...
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Art. 4. In games involving electronic media (i.e., radio, television, or Internet audio or visual broadcast), when the electronic-media format calls for at least three electronic-media timeouts in either half, the following shall be in effect: (TELEVISION, RADIO OR INTERNET AUDIO OR VISUAL BROADCAST MUST BE PRESENT TO USE THIS ELECTRONIC-MEDIA TIMEOUT FORMAT.)
a. When television is employed, there shall be four electronic-media timeouts in each half. These electronic-media timeouts shall occur at the first dead ball after the 16-, 12-, 8- and 4-minute marks when the game clock is stopped.
1. The first timeout requested by either team in the second half shall become the length of a timeout called for by the electronic-media agreement.
2. When the first timeout requested by either team in the second half is granted and creates the first dead ball after one of the 16-, 12-, 8- or 4- minute marks, the electronic-media timeouts for those specified times shall occur after the next dead ball.
Note: For NCAA Division I tournament games, the men’s or women’s Division I basketball committee may make the first team-called timeout in both halves an electronic-media timeout.
b. When radio or Internet audio or visual broadcast is being used, electronic- media timeouts shall occur at the first dead ball after the 16-, 12-, 8- and 4- minute marks or after the 15-, 10- and 5-minute marks, when the game clock is stopped, depending on the electronic-media agreement.
1. The first timeout requested by either team in the second half shall be 75 seconds long or longer when called for by the electronic-media agreement.
2. When the electronic-media agreement calls for fewer than three electronic-media timeouts in one half, these electronic-media timeouts shall occur at the first dead ball after the minute marks specified by the electronic-media agreement.
c. Each team shall be entitled to four timeouts, 30 seconds each in length.
d. Each team may carry up to three 30-second timeouts into the second half.
e. Each team shall be entitled to one 60-second timeout that may be used any
time during the game.
1. No conference shall be permitted to extend the 60-second timeout by
electronic-media agreement in electronic-media games.
f. A player or a coach from the same team may request successive 30-second
timeouts.
1. When these successive timeouts are granted, players shall be allowed to sit on their bench only when the request has been made in advance.
2. When successive 30-second timeouts are granted, a warning horn shall be sounded 15 seconds before the expiration of the final 30- second timeout.
g. Unused 30-second team timeouts from the second half may be used in extra period(s).
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Posted: 3/30/2014 10:31 PM
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I'm no closer than the average fan, however me and some buddies timed them a few years ago and found them to be of varying lengths. I do believe there is also some rule about certain timeouts regardless of what they are called being extended according to what part of the game they are called in. Read an article that somewhere a game in these tournaments had 19 minutes of timeouts, not counting the half-time. However CC is correct that media TO's are at set increments. I figured a guru such as yourself would be able to tell us the answer to that question.


Well of course I know the mechanics of under 16/12/8/4 and the use it or lose it time outs. My question is in he last minute are there times the TO's get extended to include time for media. SInce you are not near the table I doubt you'll be able to help with the answer. The article you referred to would be a good read, especially if it contained info as to how that 19 minutes differs from the time regular time taken throughout the season.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 10:35 PM
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I really cannot answer those questions. I do believe from the article I read (regarding the 19 min in TO's) that Tournament TO's are longer than regular season, which would appear to be in direct violation of the NCAA's own rules.
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Thanks for putting the edit and the additional material up for all of us to read. I am going to go back and look at Deadspin's stuff and see if any of the NCAA tourney material is adding to the time or if it merely the coaches using all of the available TO's

I do remember after TOmmy's first game he said he thought he could play the whole game since there were so many breaks. He was definitely not used to being able to rest that much.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 10:44 PM
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[QUOTE=BillyTheCat]

Not sure I even want to read the article why beer in a can is better.....


You might want to - it's factual. Here's another good article among a slew of them out there.

Edit - Not that it is "better" - but not "inferior".

http://drinkcraftbeer.com/editorial/articles/craft-beer-c...


 
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Not sure I even want to read the article why beer in a can is better.....


You might want to - it's factual. Here's another good article among a slew of them out there.

Edit - Not that it is "better" - but not "inferior".

http://drinkcraftbeer.com/editorial/articles/craft-beer-c...


 


Well , I do know a lot goes into making cans that do not affect the beer.  I had a buddy that trained with our triathlon group that worked for Ball Corp. His job was to fly around the country to their various canning operations tasting beer going into their products and ensure that the cans and bottles did not affect the taste.....tough job...made training everyday necessary though.
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Not sure I even want to read the article why beer in a can is better.....


You might want to - it's factual. Here's another good article among a slew of them out there.

Edit - Not that it is "better" - but not "inferior".

http://drinkcraftbeer.com/editorial/articles/craft-beer-c...


 


Well , I do know a lot goes into making cans that do not affect the beer.  I had a buddy that trained with our triathlon group that worked for Ball Corp. His job was to fly around the country to their various canning operations tasting beer going into their products and ensure that the cans and bottles did not affect the taste.....tough job...made training everyday necessary though.

First thing I always ask someone when they tell me bottles are superior to cans is "Do you like draft beer"? 

 
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Posted: 3/30/2014 10:58 PM
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Thanks for putting the edit and the additional material up for all of us to read. I am going to go back and look at Deadspin's stuff and see if any of the NCAA tourney material is adding to the time or if it merely the coaches using all of the available TO's

I do remember after TOmmy's first game he said he thought he could play the whole game since there were so many breaks. He was definitely not used to being able to rest that much.
Another article I read this morning in the AJC was how depth is a non factor in tournament games due to the increase in TO's. This article did not mention any numbers though, and I failed to grab it as I left the iHop
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Posted: 3/31/2014 6:52 AM
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I really cannot answer those questions. I do believe from the article I read (regarding the 19 min in TO's) that Tournament TO's are longer than regular season, which would appear to be in direct violation of the NCAA's own rules.


The NCAA makes the rules so it can ignore them, too.  (Note that the rule cited above refers only to conferences.)  I think it's part of the NCAA's appeasement of CBS for the astronomical fees for broadcast rights and the fact that the NCAA takes 1-2 mins of commercial time in each game for its own messages.
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Those commercials aren't 1 or 2 minutes, they're 30 second spots. They do not add any time to the game, except maybe marginally if they hold the ball for a few seconds for the broadcast to get back. Typically though they use those late timeouts to the end anyways, until the officials force them to break.
Media timeouts range from :90 to :180 seconds.
Media timeouts (typically) don't occur in the last minute of close games, except maybe for the first called timeout of the second half if nobody has called it. So for what this article discusses, and the post I was responding to (last minute of game time), the breaks are mostly :30, save for when a team calls their full (:60).

Tournament games overall certainly are a bit longer, mostly due to extended halftimes and media breaks, but in the last minute, I think the only reason they might be worse than regular season is the competitiveness of the games.
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I may be in the minority but I don't have a problem the length of college basketball games. 
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I may be in the minority but I don't have a problem the length of college basketball games. 
I'm right there with ya....but I am not out tending to heirloom tomatoes or putting things ahead of my basketball addiction. No place to be ....but in front of my TeeeeeVeeeeeee
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I may be in the minority but I don't have a problem the length of college basketball games.
I'm right there with ya....but I am not out tending to heirloom tomatoes or putting things ahead of my basketball addiction. No place to be ....but in front of my TeeeeeVeeeeeee
I am taking insult to this, I love my heirloom tomatoes. ;-)
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