What's up with your state's teams? Indiana and Butler have lost about half of their rosters in the last couple weeks. 

THis is an interesting time in Indiana. We started the Bleeding with Coach Groce. He got a few high profile recruits like Justin Cage to X then got a succession of guys like Oden/Conley/Offutt/Thomas to tO$U. McWhiney to Duke and Dom James to Marquette while Mike Davis and Kelvin Sampson screwed the recruiting pooch. Purdue ran the state fora couple of years with Painter getting Jujuan Johnson, Hummel, Martin and some good recruits but his divorce got messy and took a toll.  THe end result of those gaffes is ISU kept a couple of good pieces in state and got back to the tourney but the higher profile recruits are leaving the state. We had 9 Indiana kids in the Big Ten title game between Mich/Mich State. There are Indiana kids all over the NCAA but very few playing for Indiana teams. Illinois has the exact same problem with kids at Duke, Wisky, WIchita St.

Not sure what it is going to take to keep kids in state but the coaches here with IU/PU are not recruiting well and Brey tends to use transfers to build a program since his days at Delaware. IUPUI is poised to take a few high profile transfers who want to come home and Butler seriously needed to upgrade bodies and talent to compete in the Big East so that may be a blessing anyway. I looked at their guards vs Big East guards and tried to explain to the Butler Diehards the difference but they kept referring to their players being good enough for the  Final Four instead of looking with their own eyes to see that Barlow did not look anything like the players he was facing on a nightly basis. They may get their injuries back back but the rest of the talent and bodies need upgraded. Holtmann has his work cut out for him if they are going to compete nighly in the Big East. There are 10 D1 programs in the state of Indiana. I think the last time none made the NCAA was back in the 80's or 90's.

borna--We all see with our self-interest lens...we're all human.  But it's always interesting to hear people who are so stuck in their own self-interest that they see what they want to see instead of the rather evident truth.

 

When he was a coach at Kent and when OU hired him, I was really concerned that JC uses too many transfers to stock his program. I'd certainly say I fell into the mindset that Ohio is good enough to only need 4 year players. I assumed players' only options in a transfer were either from a junior college that skirted some academic shortcomings or an unhappy guy coming from a higher profile program.

My thinking has evolved as I've watched players move in every direction among programs that include the bluest of bloods.

I'm not comfortable with the hijinks that can happen when a high major coach sees a mid major player working at a level above his peers and planting seeds to that effect (cough, what happens in Providence stays in Providence, cough). But I no longer think Ohio needs to set itself outside the practice.

Does anybody think or remember if we've been hurt from a player transferring out? It sounds like it almost all cases transferring is a benefit at Ohio. 

Would you like to retract the question, Wes?

The pain is still fresh.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/26/dus.../

Two Texas Tech guys want out.  Any chance Willis would have ties to either of them?  Could Christian have recruited either guy while he was at TCU?

yes and yes.....so was Ethan....in a sense

This quote from the original article that borna posted is interesting:

Of the 1,039 Division I men's basketball freshmen to enroll in 2010, 412 of them have transferred or left their initial school. That's a 40-percent clip.

Did 40% of those 1039 kids really pick the wrong academic institution to attend?

One of the major differences though is finances.  Scholarship athletes don't have to worry about who's buying the books.

I think it is comparing apples to oranges. Given the recruitment process of an athlete vs students choosing schools I see 40% and increasing as an alarming trend.