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Posted: 4/29/2014 9:59 AM
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Glad to hear it was a good trip. I should have checked the boards ato see who was on our radar for you to look at. I know the INdiana kids were at the Jayhawk invite for the most part. 


Indiana was well represented in the younger ages.  We had a team in our pool from Indianapolis (IC Ballers).  We thought we were going to be in position to play George Hill in bracket play but the tie-breakers were kind of screwy and they ended up in another bracket.  That was a big disappointment because they are defending D1 National Champs and the boys really were excited to play them.  But we ended up playing teams from Ohio, Indiana, illinois, Michigan, New York and West Virginia which was a lot of fun.. 
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Posted: 4/29/2014 10:20 AM
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[QUOTE=bornacatfan] . . . .That was a big disappointment because they are defending D1 National Champs and the boys really were excited to play them. . . . .

What age group are we talking about here?  On the surface this seems patently ridiculous.  Seems to me this is putting hoops above education and other social development for kids.  This comment is not aimed at you OUVan but at a system that seems to me wildly out of control. 

 
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Posted: 4/29/2014 11:24 AM
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[QUOTE=bornacatfan] . . . .That was a big disappointment because they are defending D1 National Champs and the boys really were excited to play them. . . . .

What age group are we talking about here?  On the surface this seems patently ridiculous.  Seems to me this is putting hoops above education and other social development for kids.  This comment is not aimed at you OUVan but at a system that seems to me wildly out of control. 

 


AAU has National Championships from 2nd grade to HS. Just wondering but why do you think education would take a back seat?  Practices are in the evenings and games are on the weekends.  I can't speak for everyone else but the only thing that basketball cuts into is TV or Xbox time and I'm fine with that.  I again can't speak for everyone but AAU basketball has been a big positive in my son's life.  We've gotten to travel to some pretty nice locales and meet some very good people. He's making lasting friendships, not only with the kids on his team but with kids on other teams.  And it's been a huge plus for his basketball development.    
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Posted: 4/29/2014 12:41 PM
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[QUOTE=bornacatfan] . . . .That was a big disappointment because they are defending D1 National Champs and the boys really were excited to play them. . . . .

What age group are we talking about here?  On the surface this seems patently ridiculous.  Seems to me this is putting hoops above education and other social development for kids.  This comment is not aimed at you OUVan but at a system that seems to me wildly out of control. 

 


AAU has National Championships from 2nd grade to HS. Just wondering but why do you think education would take a back seat?  Practices are in the evenings and games are on the weekends.  I can't speak for everyone else but the only thing that basketball cuts into is TV or Xbox time and I'm fine with that.  I again can't speak for everyone but AAU basketball has been a big positive in my son's life.  We've gotten to travel to some pretty nice locales and meet some very good people. He's making lasting friendships, not only with the kids on his team but with kids on other teams.  And it's been a huge plus for his basketball development.    


Well, you have the personal experience and I don't, so you probably are right and I'm probably wrong; however, I think as a general principle we are stressing competitive athletics at too young an age.  A national championship for 2nd graders just seems completely out of whack to me.  I'd rather have my second grader playing sandlot ball or the like than in such a highly competitive situation.  I remember a local person here who was very good at a particular sport (making vague on purpose) and whose parents transferred him or her to another school (in a different state) so this person could use better facilities and get better coaching in this sport.  I always thought that that was sacrificing family life and social interaction with local friends for an elusive goal that in reality never really panned out.  By contrast, I know a certain young man, back in the day, who only played local sandlot football and then high school football and then made it to the NFL and WFL. 
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Posted: 4/29/2014 1:06 PM
I coach both of my boys' teams (7th and 5th grade teams). During a typical week, I will get 6-8 hours in a gym with my each of my boys and their friends, plus weekend trips and games. I know I'll look back and be happy I spent a ton of time with my sons while they were growing up. I get to control the environment they are in, as well as provide a positive male role model for the few boys on our teams that come from really tough households. Every single boy on both teams (19 total) is on the Honor Roll at school and we get behavior updates from their teachers, the same as a school coach would. For some, basketball is the only thing that forces them to be accountable. Extending the season into the summer means they have some structure during a part of the year they'd just be getting in trouble.

Our kids ask to practice more because they love it. Youth sports are often cast as ugly competitions for the parents, which is true too often. In our program, we have nearly 100 boys that have an opportunity to get better at a sport they love. Those that approach it correctly are able to get better in a controlled environment. OCF, what you don't realize about kids today is that there is no such thing as sandlot baseball or pick up basketball anymore. It is much more structured, and if a kid is good enough to make his school team, he is probably better off in an AAU program.
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Posted: 4/29/2014 1:23 PM
Bobcat695, thanks for relating your personal experience.  I'll take you at your word.  It seems in your situation that the way your are handling it is very laudable.  It's been more than 30 years since my son was the age of your kids, so I tend to look at things from that prism.  I do have a niece who is currently very active in high school sports as a freshman. She's not be involved in any AAU activity, though.  
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Posted: 4/29/2014 1:33 PM
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Well, you have the personal experience and I don't, so you probably are right and I'm probably wrong; however, I think as a general principle we are stressing competitive athletics at too young an age.  A national championship for 2nd graders just seems completely out of whack to me.  I'd rather have my second grader playing sandlot ball or the like than in such a highly competitive situation.  I remember a local person here who was very good at a particular sport (making vague on purpose) and whose parents transferred him or her to another school (in a different state) so this person could use better facilities and get better coaching in this sport.  I always thought that that was sacrificing family life and social interaction with local friends for an elusive goal that in reality never really panned out.  By contrast, I know a certain young man, back in the day, who only played local sandlot football and then high school football and then made it to the NFL and WFL. 


Things have changed so much since we were kids that a lot of it is new territory.  Philosophically I have a bigger problem with the year-round aspect of sports these days than I do with the tougher competition.  My worry is that three years from now my son will come to me and say "I'm done with basketball."   But right now he is disappointed when he doesn't have practice and on those days he is out in the back yard shooting on his own or begging me to come outside and play him one-on-one.   But it's almost a necessity to have your kid play year round because all the other kids are doing it.  

But IMO playing against serious competition is a good thing.  I know one thing, he's a lot better off as a player for it.  
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Posted: 4/29/2014 9:30 PM
Kinda off topic, but has anyone stayed at the Clarion Hotel in Hudson? I'm staying there in a couple weeks for a collegiate softball world series in Akron, just curious about opinions.
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Posted: 4/29/2014 10:08 PM
Lost its Holiday Inn franchise a few years back.  I'd stay a couple of exits south at the Hampton Inn, Country Inn & Suites or Courtyard in Stow.  Steels Corners exit off Rt. 8


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Posted: 4/30/2014 10:25 AM
I also wanted to mention that when I had a little free time on Saturday I went on a little road trip to the Kent State and Akron campuses and let's just say I was unimpressed.  Kent was okay but kind of bland.  Akron was just bad.  Other than convenience I can't imagine anyone visiting multiple schools and deciding that either is for them.
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Posted: 4/30/2014 10:38 AM
What part of the Akron campus did you see?  They have upgraded things in recent years.  To me, it's not that bad.  I guess different people look for different things. 
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Posted: 4/30/2014 10:43 AM
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What part of the Akron campus did you see?  They have upgraded things in recent years.  To me, it's not that bad.  I guess different people look for different things. 


I drove through just about all of it.  At Kent I actually got out the car and walked around.  I will admit that urban campuses are not my cup of tea so that was a strike against the Akron campus to start off with.  
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Posted: 4/30/2014 1:54 PM
Having gone there as a freshman in 2002-2003, I can tell you it's nothing special. They started making the major renovations (indoor practice facility, rec center, etc.) when I was there. They were in desperate need of the rec center too. I couldn't find a place to play pickup basketball in the winter because the JAR was always in use and Akron Central Hower (which is basically on campus, or was) was pretty much off limits to anyone who wasn't a student or alumni.

They built the school on top of a hill and the wind just sweeps right down the middle of campus. Winter nights have never been more cold than when I was at Akron. It may be different now, but when I was there it seemed like everything was very spaced out, which made for very long and cold walks. It just feels very integrated with the city, which could be a good or bad thing, depending on how it's done. For comparison, both Xavier and UC are in populous areas of Cincinnati. Xavier feels very homey and separated from the community, and UC is smack dab in the middle of it all.

OUVan - just out of curiosity, where did you play your games? Any local high schools?
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Posted: 4/30/2014 3:40 PM
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OUVan - just out of curiosity, where did you play your games? Any local high schools?


The high schools we played at were Kenmore and SV/SM.  The other games were played at community centers (Hyre and Schumacher) and middle schools (Roswell Kent and St. Barnabas). 
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