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Posted: 5/15/2014 11:11 AM

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Two Points:

1. If Robert Fox = FNC, then Alan Swank = MSNBC.

2. The comment implying old-timers might like a "white" team is ridiculous. Take a look at our Elite 8 team back in '64. I used to joke that it was a completely integrated team in that we started two white guys, two black guys and one mulatto.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 11:46 AM

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Robert Fox wrote:expand_more

Looking for racism where none exists.

Yeah guys. I didn't even think of race.

(And I'm the one who plays the race card against the NCAA on here in terms different transfer rules for different sports.)

And, Ryan Taylor doesn't get a long, serious look from Michigan if he's not athletic. I'm not worried about Phillips' recruiting at all.

But, again, poor old Schaus let a bad one slip as we can see from where people are running with it. Bet he wishes he had a do-over on that one.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 11:54 AM

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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more

Robert Fox wrote:expand_more

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Looking for racism where none exists.

Not at all Robert. Recruiting is as much a sales job as it is a science and there are used car sales guys out there who could take the WMU comment and the team picture and paint whatever impression they want for a recruit. It's just one of those comments that can be taken out of context and used for nefarious purposes. As 69 said of the comment, it's a real head scratcher.

Come on Alan. You're the one leading the nefarious use of Schaus' comments. Is Schaus supposed to check the racial makeup of a team before he cites them as an example? Is he supposed to assume that a "white" team is, or must be, racist? I didn't even consider that possibility until you posted your comment. Your post suggests that WMU must be racist, which seems to suggest it is safe to judge them by the color of their skin, as opposed to the content of their character.

Robert your post is like listening to fox "news" and no pun intended. Leading? Tough to lead when my comment was at least the fourth one on the subject. To make it perfectly clear - a recruiter could easily take Jim's comments and like fox "news" take them out of context to make a point and that point isn't that they are or might be racist but that they play a certain style of ball or that the campus is a certain style of campus. Personally, I wouldn't want to go to an all black campus any more than I'd want to go to an all white campus. Guys like you and me are becoming part of the minority. Some embrace it and others continue to bury their heads in the sand. Based on your posts over the years I'd put you in the former category with many on this board.

I'll concede that you are not the only one making similar comments, so perhaps you are not "leading" the charge, but you seem happy to beat the drum.

What does this have to do with Fox News? Nothing. At all.

I think you're attempting to play devil's advocate and claim "someone" could take Schaus out of context and assume he was racist. But from where I sit, you (and others on here) are seemingly the only one's doing it. So to boil down all the extraneous matter, you either think Schaus' comment was race based, or you do not. If you do not, let it lie.

If you do think it was race based, you need to make that case based on something far stronger than what he actually said.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 12:06 PM

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I admit I've jokingly referred to WMU as White Man U but I can't for a second think that there was any intentional implication of race in JS's remarks. I think what it meant was that SP values finding under rated, plucky players that bring more value as a collective team than they do as individuals.

Yeah, I read that more as criticism of the former coach's recruiting style. JC targeted athletes who hadn't settled in at higher-profile programs more than guys who would buy into a system.....which is no surprise since the JUCO/transfer recruiting strategy was a topic of conversation on this board from day 1 of the JC administration. Sometimes that gets you guys like Mo, and sometimes that gets you guys like Anrio Adams.

SP has voiced his preference for HS/4 year recruits, who even though they might not be as athletically gifted will buy into his system and OHIO as a university. That's how I read that quote (although a little more context from EA would be helpful.....but EA is a troll and is trolling hard here).

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Posted: 5/15/2014 12:10 PM

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Frankly, I don't really know what Schaus said, even though the words are in quotes. I don't know the context or what he said entirely. I'd like to see the whole text before I'd read too much into the article. Perhaps JS needs to clarify what he said.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 12:22 PM

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Beyond the Schaus quote, there's a lot of good information in this article. Good stuff about the double bye -- which I'm fine with - but give the 3-6 seeds an equal bye after that so ALL are guaranteed an equal shake. Good stuff about MAC Basketball on ESPN & the "hoops payoff".

The article makes a good point that I hadn't considered. With the top two teams getting byes to the semis the fans that are probably most excited about the tournament have no reason to show up until Friday. It's got to be killing attendance. I think it was an idea that was based in good intentions but it just doesn't work. It also gives the top two teams fewer possible wins going into the tournament.

I understand the desire to reward the regular season champs but it just hurts the tournament overall. Go back to the top 4 getting one game byes. If you want to reward the best team then reseed after ever round giving the #1 seed the easiest route.

I'm not sure which is the best solution, but this isn't a bad one. I just don't like that seeds 3 & 4 get the enormous advantage over the rest of the field below them seeded 5-12. I think no's 1 & 2 deserve the byes, but that's it.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 12:40 PM

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I'm more with borna on all this. Stop comparing to MAC schools. If the point was we are going to have higher bball acumen going forward so that we are not solely reliant on athleticism. Then compare to Wisconsin, Syracuse, duke. Not WMU. Like the quote in the movie Patriot. Aim high miss high.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 1:56 PM

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On a side note regarding Elton Alexander, a WOUB article referred to him as "Elliott".

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Posted: 5/15/2014 2:11 PM

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On a side note regarding Elton Alexander, a WOUB article referred to him as "Elliott".

Perhaps turnabout is fair play? No one in professional journalism butchers names as often as Eltin Aleckzander.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 10:11 PM

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While some old-timers may hope we model OUr program after the whiteness of the WMU team this year, I prefer that we model OHIO teams after the OHIO teams we saw during the 2010-2012 run.. While WMU pulled off the regular season MAC title followed by the MAC tournament Championship, I watched OHIO win multiple NCAA tournament games. That is what really counts in my book. I want more Sweet 16 banners. Screw WMU.

Really?

I have not seen one person in all the time I have been around OHIO say a word to that effect. It is insulting that you are inferring that even exists.

Have you ever heard ANYONE around OHIO say "we need more white guys?"

There is a faction of guys here and in the chat room that like to lay things on general groups that just does not exis and is quite frankly incendiary..t.

OHIO just needs players. Does not matter what they are....white , black, brown, gay....does not matter. Good guys that want to win and represent the green and white.

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Posted: 5/15/2014 10:48 PM

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This thread has reached maximum stupid.

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Posted: 5/16/2014 7:07 AM

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Not with bornacat's comment it didn't. He's right on target.

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Posted: 5/16/2014 9:05 AM

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Thanks, Borna. I deleted my response to that inane remark because it was too personal and inflammatory, even for an older guy like me. You are much more discreet and I applaud you.

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Posted: 5/16/2014 11:14 AM

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If we're the new Western, does that mean Frank Solich is going to become a dance choreographer for the crowd? If so, I'm 100 percent on board.

Even if that means we're all doing the Charleston after every first down. ESPECIALLY if that means we're all doing the Charleston after every first down.

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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:12 PM

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If we're the new Western, does that mean Frank Solich is going to become a dance choreographer for the crowd? If so, I'm 100 percent on board.

Even if that means we're all doing the Charleston after every first down. ESPECIALLY if that means we're all doing the Charleston after every first down.

Charleston???? C'mon, man. Frank is NOT as old as OCF! Maybe doing a little Archie Bell and the Drells Tighten Up.

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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:35 PM