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Posted: 5/4/2014 4:13 PM
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This is like the Munich Agreement; the Big 5 are only getting started. 


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Posted: 5/4/2014 6:10 PM
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[QUOTE=bornacatfan]The best AD I know weighs in

http://www.athensohiotoday.com/sports/ohiouniversity/scha...]

I believe Schaus, for whom I have great respect, during that interview might have been wearing rose-colored lenses.


I agree with Mike's analysis. This is like the Munich Agreement; the Big 5 are only getting started. Our AD is a very smart guy; either he is ignoring the obvious or doesn't want to be the lone mid-major AD to raise a stink at this point. I'm sure he has higher career aspirations.
After Chamberlain and Deladier returned from Munich, one person not gazing through rose-colored lenses was Churchill. He said something close to this: You have gained shame and you shall have war.

I don't foresee "war" between the Power 5 and others; I see capitulation.

What would I like to see? The presidents of NCAA member schools not in the Power 5 vote NO. Of course then we might see a "war," and how many presidents will have the stomach for that?
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Posted: 5/4/2014 9:20 PM
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The best AD I know weighs in

http://www.athensohiotoday.com/sports/ohiouniversity/scha...


I guess you never met Mark Wilson.  Agreed with Mike on the rose colored glasses.  This whole thing on the cost of attendance is ridiculous.  Just ask the 4000 students who graduated yesterday with tons of student loan debt.  They'll tell you what the full cost of attendance is - - - for many years to come.

Nope, not met Mark Wilson. What is his claim to fame and why was he not interviewed when OUr postion came open. 

as far as student loans ....what is your point?. I do not follow what you are saying is ridiculous. Are you agreeing with Mr Vedder on Federal Aid or are you inferring something else? 



 
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The idea athletes shouldn't get increased cost of attendance stipends because the regular student takes out loans doesn't parse for me.

If I was as good at what I did as the athletes are at what they do, I would've gotten money like they do. But I wasn't. I was all too ordinary. I had to take out loans because I wasn't exceptional. They are, so they get the money. That tends to be how these things work.
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Posted: 5/5/2014 9:35 AM
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The idea athletes shouldn't get increased cost of attendance stipends because the regular student takes out loans doesn't parse for me.

If I was as good at what I did as the athletes are at what they do, I would've gotten money like they do. But I wasn't. I was all too ordinary. I had to take out loans because I wasn't exceptional. They are, so they get the money. That tends to be how these things work.


While a full paying student has to take loans out, if you have an academic scholarship they already get this cost of attendance stipend. So just odd that an athletic scholarship doesn't have one if you think of it that way.
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Posted: 5/5/2014 9:40 AM
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While a full paying student has to take loans out, if you have an academic scholarship they already get this cost of attendance stipend. So just odd that an athletic scholarship doesn't have one if you think of it that way.
I am unfamiliar with that concept. Please elaborate on how that is figured in as I am with you on not understanding why the athletic scholly would not be based on the same premise...
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While a full paying student has to take loans out, if you have an academic scholarship they already get this cost of attendance stipend. So just odd that an athletic scholarship doesn't have one if you think of it that way.


I am unfamiliar with that concept. Please elaborate on how that is figured in as I am with you on not understanding why the athletic scholly would not be based on the same premise...


From my understanding (read alot about this when this stipend came up) that the 'cost of attendance' is a set figure depending on the school, some schools with higher cost of living gets more versus a place where it is cheaper to live, ie a cost of attendance stipend would be higher in LA to attend UCLA or USC versus small college town like Athens.

Supposedly (I don't have personal experience, just google) if someone has a full academic scholarship they get an additional stipend to cover room/board, books/supplies, and transportation. Basically each school publishes this number.

So why don't athletic scholarships have this? The short answer is because of the NCAA rules.
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Wo0w!

Interesting.

No wonder there is so much anticipation of those Pell Checks.
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Posted: 5/5/2014 6:00 PM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
The best AD I know weighs in

http://www.athensohiotoday.com/sports/ohiouniversity/scha...


I guess you never met Mark Wilson.  Agreed with Mike on the rose colored glasses.  This whole thing on the cost of attendance is ridiculous.  Just ask the 4000 students who graduated yesterday with tons of student loan debt.  They'll tell you what the full cost of attendance is - - - for many years to come.

Nope, not met Mark Wilson. What is his claim to fame and why was he not interviewed when OUr postion came open. 

as far as student loans ....what is your point?. I do not follow what you are saying is ridiculous. Are you agreeing with Mr Vedder on Federal Aid or are you inferring something else? 



 


Mark had just left OU for Tennessee Tech when the OU job came open.  We used a search firm out of Dallas and the guy who ran it gave us a pool of 12 applicants which included some real doozies.  Here's a link to Mark.

http://www.ttusports.com/information/directory/bios/wilson_mark

As for the other topic, I'm going to do some research with financial aid folks before posting something I've only read about.
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