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Posted: 2/25/2015 9:58 PM
Or, Bill Simmons said something worth talking about (I know, me too).

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There are two types of basketball player and only two. The first type says to himself, “What’s the best situation for my team?” You always want to play with those guys. That’s everyone on the Hawks and Spurs, basically. The second type says, “What’s the best situation for me?” Usually, you do NOT want to play basketball with those guys.


I'm sure people here will break down the roster by these terms, but I'd rather use this as an illustration as to why I'm confident in the future of the program.

By all accounts, everyone Saul has brought in are "What's the best situation for my team?" guys. Those are the people you want, the ones who make the extra pass, who help each other up off the floor. You can win a lot of games with those guys.

Soon, we'll have a team full of them.
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:05 PM
Well - there's also the player that "wants it". The ball in his hands. The ball an inch or a foot from his hands. The pass to him. The rim he's right at. The opponent driving in the lane in his general direction.

There's at least 3 types...........
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:24 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Well - there's also the player that "wants it". The ball in his hands. The ball an inch or a foot from his hands. The pass to him. The rim he's right at. The opponent driving in the lane in his general direction.

There's at least 3 types...........
I could give a lot of examples for my prior point - but here is one that maybe further negates the "two types" proposition.

Tone. Get the ball inside. Put it on your hip and make a powerful two step move into the lane "TOWARD" the basket then go up, drawing contact, and if the shot goes in it's a 2 and 1, if miss it's a 2 shots at the FT line and foul on opponent (RE Trent, Treadwell, McCrea, Mavunga, etc.). A whole year to build up the "butt and upper body" muscles.

All of Tone's foul trouble issue have been on D, reaching to block shots, not "straight up" D. Get physical - on Offense! Intentionally - with "selfish intent" (and "team" dividends).
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:27 PM
I don't understand. Wouldn't a team-oriented player know (or find) the best place to be on the court and work hard to get there? You can be a team-first player and want the ball. Someone has to shoot.
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:34 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
By all accounts, everyone Saul has brought in are "What's the best situation for my team?" guys. Those are the people you want, the ones who make the extra pass, who help each other up off the floor. You can win a lot of games with those guys. Soon, we'll have a team full of them.
+1 I realize that a bifurcation like this is slightly overly simplistic, but I believe it contains more than just a kernel of truth. And, I agree that this is the type of player that Saul recruits. As a result, I think you'll see a totally different level of chemistry next year.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 12:03 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
I don't understand. Wouldn't a team-oriented player know (or find) the best place to be on the court and work hard to get there? You can be a team-first player and want the ball. Someone has to shoot.
We win more games this year if the ball gets inside more and someone drives to the hoop - period.

And stop the express lane drives to the hoop by opponents

And just hold onto the damn ball when you got it - or "possess" it while dribbling..........
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Posted: 2/26/2015 9:57 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
I don't understand. Wouldn't a team-oriented player know (or find) the best place to be on the court and work hard to get there? You can be a team-first player and want the ball. Someone has to shoot.
We win more games this year if the ball gets inside more and someone drives to the hoop - period.

And stop the express lane drives to the hoop by opponents

And just hold onto the damn ball when you got it - or "possess" it while dribbling..........
I feel like there are two seperate conversations going on here. I agree with Jeff - it is surprising that Bill Simmons said something insightful.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 10:35 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
I could give a lot of examples for my prior point - but here is one that maybe further negates the "two types" proposition.

Tone. Get the ball inside. Put it on your hip and make a powerful two step move into the lane "TOWARD" the basket then go up, drawing contact, and if the shot goes in it's a 2 and 1, if miss it's a 2 shots at the FT line and foul on opponent (RE Trent, Treadwell, McCrea, Mavunga, etc.). A whole year to build up the "butt and upper body" muscles.

All of Tone's foul trouble issue have been on D, reaching to block shots, not "straight up" D. Get physical - on Offense! Intentionally - with "selfish intent" (and "team" dividends).
I don't follow what you are saying. This doesn't describe either group. Are you saying that Tony is being selfish because he doesn't drive enough? Or because he doesn't receive the ball down low enough? And his fouls are almost never committed on his man. And even if everyone agreed with all your points I don't get how this makes him either type of player. You are just pointing out improvements in his game that he needs to make. Even the best team players in the world need to improve on some things.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 10:45 AM
(30 for 30 voiceover)

What if I told you something as nuanced and complicated as chemistry cannot be turned onto an either or proposition and there's a delicate balance between unvarnished talent and intangibles? What if it's possible for guys like JR Smith to be productive, positive players when used properly and surrounded by positive influences?
Last Edited: 2/26/2015 10:47:29 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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