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ts1227
3/15/2024 3:20 PM
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Difference is we've won 5 straight bowl games and they've lost 8 straight NIT games.
The calendar hits March 1 and they just stop playing basketball, every single year. It's impressive.
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FearLeon
3/16/2024 9:50 PM
The MAC was drunk all year.

What a fitting ending with one of the dumbest fouls in college basketball history.
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shabamon
3/16/2024 10:56 PM
I never have any interest in the power conference tournaments, unless a low seed goes on a run and slays Goliaths in must-win games. Tremendous accomplishment by NC State to win five games in five days including over Duke, a deep guts OT win over Virginia, and just now over UNC. They were a Next Four Out in Lunardi's latest projection.
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CatsUp
3/17/2024 8:18 AM
Besides the fact so much money is made, major conference tournaments are also yet another “legitimate” way for them to put it to the little guys. For instance, if a team otherwise not in the mix wins it, maybe six of the conference teams get into the NCAA tournament instead of five. I believe that is almost always at the expense of a mid. The top teams in the conferences are already in so they aren’t nearly as invested in winning as the underdogs. Consequently, I don’t watch any of those tournaments (with the rare exception if I hear Ohio State is about to lose). As I’ve said before, the NCAA should designate how many teams each conference is to get in prior to their tournaments and if a low seed, who otherwise would have been out, wins, the last one who would have been in is out. In fact, I’d like to see them name those teams.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/17/2024 1:25 PM
CatsUp wrote:expand_more
Besides the fact so much money is made, major conference tournaments are also yet another “legitimate” way for them to put it to the little guys. For instance, if a team otherwise not in the mix wins it, maybe six of the conference teams get into the NCAA tournament instead of five. I believe that is almost always at the expense of a mid. The top teams in the conferences are already in so they aren’t nearly as invested in winning as the underdogs. Consequently, I don’t watch any of those tournaments (with the rare exception if I hear Ohio State is about to lose). As I’ve said before, the NCAA should designate how many teams each conference is to get in prior to their tournaments and if a low seed, who otherwise would have been out, wins, the last one who would have been in is out. In fact, I’d like to see them name those teams.

I don't understand this thinking at all. You want the NCAA to designate conference tournaments as completely inconsequential and for those games not to matter at all? Why? Does NC State's run mean that another ACC team's resume is automatically worse?

I also don't think it's correct that when an NC State gets in it's "always at the expense of a mid." P5 teams are very often that last out.
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CatsUp
3/17/2024 1:44 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Besides the fact so much money is made, major conference tournaments are also yet another “legitimate” way for them to put it to the little guys. For instance, if a team otherwise not in the mix wins it, maybe six of the conference teams get into the NCAA tournament instead of five. I believe that is almost always at the expense of a mid. The top teams in the conferences are already in so they aren’t nearly as invested in winning as the underdogs. Consequently, I don’t watch any of those tournaments (with the rare exception if I hear Ohio State is about to lose). As I’ve said before, the NCAA should designate how many teams each conference is to get in prior to their tournaments and if a low seed, who otherwise would have been out, wins, the last one who would have been in is out. In fact, I’d like to see them name those teams.

I don't understand this thinking at all. You want the NCAA to designate conference tournaments as completely inconsequential and for those games not to matter at all? Why? Does NC State's run mean that another ACC team's resume is automatically worse?

I also don't think it's correct that when an NC State gets in it's "always at the expense of a mid." P5 teams are very often that last out.
The only reason they’re consequential at all now is to get some undeserving team in. That’s inconsequential in my book in the grand scheme of things. They have a regular season champ now, or should. Doesn’t mean another teams resume is worse, just not good enough now. Happens all the time.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/17/2024 1:57 PM
CatsUp wrote:expand_more
Besides the fact so much money is made, major conference tournaments are also yet another “legitimate” way for them to put it to the little guys. For instance, if a team otherwise not in the mix wins it, maybe six of the conference teams get into the NCAA tournament instead of five. I believe that is almost always at the expense of a mid. The top teams in the conferences are already in so they aren’t nearly as invested in winning as the underdogs. Consequently, I don’t watch any of those tournaments (with the rare exception if I hear Ohio State is about to lose). As I’ve said before, the NCAA should designate how many teams each conference is to get in prior to their tournaments and if a low seed, who otherwise would have been out, wins, the last one who would have been in is out. In fact, I’d like to see them name those teams.

I don't understand this thinking at all. You want the NCAA to designate conference tournaments as completely inconsequential and for those games not to matter at all? Why? Does NC State's run mean that another ACC team's resume is automatically worse?

I also don't think it's correct that when an NC State gets in it's "always at the expense of a mid." P5 teams are very often that last out.
The only reason they’re consequential at all now is to get some undeserving team in. That’s inconsequential in my book in the grand scheme of things. They have a regular season champ now, or should. Doesn’t mean another teams resume is worse, just not good enough now. Happens all the time.
So you want to get rid of all conference tournaments? I don't follow.

NC State just beat UNC, Duke, Virginia, and Syracuse in a handful of days. That's an impressive run DVD changes their resume a ton.
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shabamon
3/17/2024 1:58 PM
Loving the vibe of the Ivy League final. Brown vs Yale from Columbia's little gym. Standing room only. Like the very best of a high school rivalry game. Our Bahamas opponent on the cusp of their first bid since the 80s.

EDIT: MARRRRRCHHHH
Last Edited: 3/17/2024 2:08:13 PM by shabamon
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CatsUp
3/17/2024 2:44 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Besides the fact so much money is made, major conference tournaments are also yet another “legitimate” way for them to put it to the little guys. For instance, if a team otherwise not in the mix wins it, maybe six of the conference teams get into the NCAA tournament instead of five. I believe that is almost always at the expense of a mid. The top teams in the conferences are already in so they aren’t nearly as invested in winning as the underdogs. Consequently, I don’t watch any of those tournaments (with the rare exception if I hear Ohio State is about to lose). As I’ve said before, the NCAA should designate how many teams each conference is to get in prior to their tournaments and if a low seed, who otherwise would have been out, wins, the last one who would have been in is out. In fact, I’d like to see them name those teams.

I don't understand this thinking at all. You want the NCAA to designate conference tournaments as completely inconsequential and for those games not to matter at all? Why? Does NC State's run mean that another ACC team's resume is automatically worse?

I also don't think it's correct that when an NC State gets in it's "always at the expense of a mid." P5 teams are very often that last out.
The only reason they’re consequential at all now is to get some undeserving team in. That’s inconsequential in my book in the grand scheme of things. They have a regular season champ now, or should. Doesn’t mean another teams resume is worse, just not good enough now. Happens all the time.
So you want to get rid of all conference tournaments? I don't follow.

NC State just beat UNC, Duke, Virginia, and Syracuse in a handful of days. That's an impressive run DVD changes their resume a ton.
Keeping the tournaments is fine. Staying with the ACC, this year NC State would replace Pitt, Clemson, or whoever else was designated the last team in from the conference prior to the conference tourney. Again, I question how much “desperation effort” some of the teams you mentioned the Wolfpack beating gave knowing they were already in the big one. It’s a whole different dynamic for the teams in such games. I think such a dynamic at least somewhat diminishes what the Wolfpack accomplished, again in my opinion. A lot of other teams who are otherwise not in can try to do what NCS did so that keeps the tournament relevant and making money.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/17/2024 3:10 PM
CatsUp wrote:expand_more
Keeping the tournaments is fine. Staying with the ACC, this year NC State would replace Pitt, Clemson, or whoever else was designated the last team in from the conference prior to the conference tourney. Again, I question how much “desperation effort” some of the teams you mentioned the Wolfpack beating gave knowing they were already in the big one. It’s a whole different dynamic for the teams in such games. I think such a dynamic at least somewhat diminishes what the Wolfpack accomplished, again in my opinion. A lot of other teams who are otherwise not in can try to do what NCS did so that keeps the tournament relevant and making money.
What problem are you trying to solve here? I'm still a little lost. It sounds like you're saying that teams that are guaranteed a tournament spot don't play hard or care about their conference tournament, but what you're proposing would only seem to make that worse and result in only bubble teams playing hard in their conference tournament. It seems like the result of what you're proposing is less games that matter, not more.

We'll see how it all shakes out a bit later today, but here's a random projection of last 8 out:

St. John’s, Seton Hall, Virginia, Indiana State, Providence, Pittsburgh, Villanova, Wake Forest.

One mid-major, 7 majors. Not sure what you're suggesting has any impact at all on mid-majors. Lunardi has Indiana State as a bubble team, and the only other team that would me considered a mid-major is FAU who went to the Final Four last year and has wins over Arizona, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech, and Butler and plays in a conference that tends to get multiple bids. Not a standard mid-major.
Last Edited: 3/17/2024 3:16:32 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/17/2024 3:17 PM
Duquesne in. First appearance since 1977. Good win for Dambrot.
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bobcatsquared
3/17/2024 3:21 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
We'll see how it all shakes out a bit later today, but here's a random projection of last 8 out:

St. John’s, Seton Hall, Virginia, Indiana State, Providence, Pittsburgh, Villanova, Wake Forest.

One mid-major, 7 majors. Not sure what you're suggesting has any impact at all on mid-majors. Lunardi has Indiana State as a bubble team, and the only other team that would me considered a mid-major is FAU who went to the Final Four last year and has wins over Arizona, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech, and Butler and plays in a conference that tends to get multiple bids. Not a standard mid-major.
Teams from major conferences are always, or almost always, one of the first 4/8 out because they are always, or almost always, the only ones being considered for an at-large bid.

Here's hoping you "follow"; you're not "lost"; you're not "confused"; you do "understand"; or any of the many other descriptions you use in your seemingly endless arguments.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/17/2024 3:25 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Teams from major conferences are always, or almost always, one of the first 4/8 out because they are always, or almost always, the only ones being considered for an at-large bid. [/QUOTE]Sure are. Which is the point I was making in response to the poster who made the exact opposite argument.

[QUOTE=bobcatsquared]
Here's hoping you "follow"; you're not "lost"; you're not "confused"; you do "understand"; or any of the many other descriptions you use in your seemingly endless arguments.
Keep up then. You want to come in and police comments in a thread, you should at least have the reading comprehension to understand that you're making the exact same point I am.
Last Edited: 3/17/2024 3:26:37 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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CatsUp
3/17/2024 3:53 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Keeping the tournaments is fine. Staying with the ACC, this year NC State would replace Pitt, Clemson, or whoever else was designated the last team in from the conference prior to the conference tourney. Again, I question how much “desperation effort” some of the teams you mentioned the Wolfpack beating gave knowing they were already in the big one. It’s a whole different dynamic for the teams in such games. I think such a dynamic at least somewhat diminishes what the Wolfpack accomplished, again in my opinion. A lot of other teams who are otherwise not in can try to do what NCS did so that keeps the tournament relevant and making money.
What problem are you trying to solve here? I'm still a little lost. It sounds like you're saying that teams that are guaranteed a tournament spot don't play hard or care about their conference tournament, but what you're proposing would only seem to make that worse and result in only bubble teams playing hard in their conference tournament. It seems like the result of what you're proposing is less games that matter, not more.

We'll see how it all shakes out a bit later today, but here's a random projection of last 8 out:

St. John’s, Seton Hall, Virginia, Indiana State, Providence, Pittsburgh, Villanova, Wake Forest.

One mid-major, 7 majors. Not sure what you're suggesting has any impact at all on mid-majors. Lunardi has Indiana State as a bubble team, and the only other team that would me considered a mid-major is FAU who went to the Final Four last year and has wins over Arizona, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech, and Butler and plays in a conference that tends to get multiple bids. Not a standard mid-major.

The problem I’m trying to solve (which is not a problem for the NCAA selection committee or the major conferences, only mid majors)is the addition of yet one more team in the tourney from a major conference at the expense of smaller programs.

And yes, I’m saying the teams that are already in don’t play as hard and, yes, the bubble teams (and teams not as high as the bubble) play harder than the others. (Not sure why I needed to repeat it). I think the same games that matter now will be about the same that matter in my proposed system. They all do not have equal value now.
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M.D.W.S.T
3/17/2024 6:22 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Duquesne in. First appearance since 1977. Good win for Dambrot.
Hard not to be impressed with the job he keeps doing.
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FearLeon
3/17/2024 7:15 PM
Have to believe that if Ohio would have won the MAC....they would be where Akron is....the 14 seed in Pittsburgh. Reef against his old team would have been something. And there would have been a ton of Bobcat fans there. Way more than Creighton.

Oh well.
Last Edited: 3/17/2024 7:27:25 PM by FearLeon
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M.D.W.S.T
3/17/2024 7:26 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Have to believe that Ohio if would have won the MAC....they would be where Akron is....the 14 seed in Pittsburgh. Reef against his old team would have been something. And there would have been a ton of Bobcat fans there. Way more than Creighton.

Oh well.
Had that circled in my mind. Would’ve been awesome.
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greencat
3/17/2024 7:33 PM
It's a good thing Akron didn't draw Auburn or Tennessee.

What would happen in Freeman tried to dunk on Broome or Aidoo? The ball would get sent to the cheap seats. If Ali Ali tried to drive on Auburn's BACKUP center (Cardwell) he would get turned into a pretzel.
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WxM
3/17/2024 9:28 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Have to believe that if Ohio would have won the MAC....they would be where Akron is....the 14 seed in Pittsburgh. Reef against his old team would have been something. And there would have been a ton of Bobcat fans there. Way more than Creighton.

Oh well.

Would have been interesting...but no answer for Kalkbrenner is on this roster.
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JSF
3/17/2024 11:48 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Have to believe that if Ohio would have won the MAC....they would be where Akron is....the 14 seed in Pittsburgh. Reef against his old team would have been something. And there would have been a ton of Bobcat fans there. Way more than Creighton.
Creighton shows up. I wouldn't assume we would have "way more" in Pitt.
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shabamon
3/18/2024 9:44 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Have to believe that if Ohio would have won the MAC....they would be where Akron is....the 14 seed in Pittsburgh. Reef against his old team would have been something. And there would have been a ton of Bobcat fans there. Way more than Creighton.
Creighton shows up. I wouldn't assume we would have "way more" in Pitt.
By my observation at the regionals in Louisville last year, Creighton fans dwarfed Alabama and San Diego State, but didn't even compare to the Princeton turnout.
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MonroeClassmate
3/18/2024 5:42 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
The MAC was drunk all year.

What a fitting ending with one of the dumbest fouls in college basketball history.

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Kent Write
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At that point JR Smith hadn't gone to college but neither knew the score at crunch time!
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OUcats82
3/19/2024 8:26 AM
So after a quick scan of all brackets, it looks like BG in the CIT is the only team playing in the postseason besides Akron?
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M.D.W.S.T
3/19/2024 8:59 AM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
So after a quick scan of all brackets, it looks like BG in the CIT is the only team playing in the postseason besides Akron?
Ohio Teams:

NCAA:
Akron
UD

NIT:
Ohio State
Cincinnati

CIT:
Bowling Green is not a State
will play illustrious teams such as Abilene Christian (15–17) and Alabama A&M (11–22)

CBI:
Cleveland State
Last Edited: 3/19/2024 8:59:31 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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Andrew Ruck
3/19/2024 9:55 AM
If we are going to decline invites to the CBI & CIT we should probably take down the banners in the convo signifying our participation in them in the past.
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