Tulsa, Florida State, and most of the rest of the Paradise Jam Field was not weak. When it was scheduled, FGCU was a good, solid game. St. Bonnie was a good solid game. Cleveland State was good the last couple of years and is down this year. I'm not sure when it was scheduled exactly, but you can't predict how good they'll be every time. We all want to play Marshall regardless of how good they are, right?

After all of that, you're left with five games out of 12-13 non-conf games that aren't strong games. Without doing research, I'd guess that's a middle of the road, to top third SOS in the MAC. Not nearly as bad as some are making it out to be.

Yes you did. People still weren't understanding, so I elaborated on your point. Notice I said "Some of you"... :) I quoted you because I was supporting your point, not refuting it.

Got ya. Your synopsis was way more in depth.

'm just curious as to what you mean "tourney time" I remember the UKIT and a couple of others....more at the HS level but I m curious (my basketball history interest is always "on") as to how long ago there were holiday tourneys nd which ones you are alluding to.... Given the relatively recent NCAA rule that counts a tourney as one game and has resulted in the early season Plethora of tourneys in the pre Thanksgiving OOC season I get your home games and what you are referrring to, but for a mid major getting into the Hawaii, Vegas or Bahamas tournaments that is a huge chance to get wins against team we may not get a shot at otherwise. That is present day ...not so much the good old days.

For the folks dissing the good old days and the "20 wins is not like it used to be" history of NCAA rules shows that you only played a certain number of games and a 20 wins season in a schedule that only played a few more than that was an accomplishment. Now the average team plays closer to 30 games with tournaments and post seasons included.

Just one example of what Casper71 is talking about: I remember the Marshall Tournament that brought in three other good teams and, of course, The Herd as the hosts, each year. When I was at Marshall I remember that they had the likes of Mississippi, Mississippi State, Iowa State, Baylor, Princeton, and a ranked St. Johns team participate in that tournament over a two or three year stretch. There were, as I recall, a lot of these types of tournaments in the second and third week of December and often labeled as "holiday tournaments." They almost always had two semi-final games, often on a Friday, and then a consolation game and a championship game the next night, often on a Saturday. It was a good format, IMHO. I think that this is what Casper was referring to.

Will T Campbell develop more from this point on over the rest of his OHIO career than we've seen almost anyone else in the last 10-20 years?

I just noticed Tennessee State is beating Tennessee late in 2nd half. I decided to look at their record and noticed they are 9-3 right now. I know the schedule isn't awesome but 9-3 is 9-3. When I watched the game I remember them have some decent athletes