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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:36 AM
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I don't read the opponent fan sites very often, well almost never, but for some reason I clicked on the link above. Not only do I appreciate BA more, but I was surprised how many of their fans are predicting a loss for NIU tomorrow. Given their record, and our record last year, should I be surprised by this? Or has their fan base been following the 'Cats this year and are somewhat understandably pessimistic?
No you shouldn't be surprised. Ohio is the better team. We know it, and they know it.
They beat our asses last year. At home. Yeah, we're a much different team this year, their fans perspective has no impact on who is actually the better team. We've won a lot more in recent history, but this is the MAC opener on the road. They have a very effective point guard and are used to winning. I think both records are inflated by schedules. I can't say for sure Ohio is the better team.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 11:04 AM
1 thing we know for sure: NIU is a football school and not BB and therefor there will be a low turn out for this game. I would be surprised if the announced attendance is greater than 3,000, with actual fans at about 2,000.
We know winning on the road is tuff in this conference and these 1st 2 games are away, victories would be a real confidence boost.




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Posted: 1/6/2016 11:30 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
I don't read the opponent fan sites very often, well almost never, but for some reason I clicked on the link above. Not only do I appreciate BA more, but I was surprised how many of their fans are predicting a loss for NIU tomorrow. Given their record, and our record last year, should I be surprised by this? Or has their fan base been following the 'Cats this year and are somewhat understandably pessimistic?
No you shouldn't be surprised. Ohio is the better team. We know it, and they know it.
They beat our asses last year. At home. Yeah, we're a much different team this year, their fans perspective has no impact on who is actually the better team. We've won a lot more in recent history, but this is the MAC opener on the road. They have a very effective point guard and are used to winning. I think both records are inflated by schedules. I can't say for sure Ohio is the better team.
As someone else said, it's very difficult to figure out how good NIU might be this year from the schedule they played. I think they're trending up so I'm optimistic overall. They have a lot of upside I think, but on a typical day of shooting, especially with Armstead being in a shooting slump lately, we could easily go cold from the outside and have it cost us the game. Armstead is one of our best players so hopefully he starts shooting better again.

I think most NIU fans are cautiously optimistic but are taking a wait and see attitude. If we start beating MAC teams (and there's really no one we can pencil in as a "W") then more will start believing.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 11:41 AM
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I think most NIU fans are cautiously optimistic but are taking a wait and see attitude. If we start beating MAC teams (and there's really no one we can pencil in as a "W") then more will start believing.
The other side of that is there is no one in the MAC that you can pencil in as an "L" either. And both your statement and mine apply to us as well.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 12:22 PM
That's true, there's a ton of parity in the MAC, no great teams and the bad teams aren't as bad as they've been.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 12:33 PM
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I think most NIU fans are cautiously optimistic but are taking a wait and see attitude. If we start beating MAC teams (and there's really no one we can pencil in as a "W") then more will start believing.
The other side of that is there is no one in the MAC that you can pencil in as an "L" either. And both your statement and mine apply to us as well.
But at least as far as RPI is concerned, there's a distinct "top half" and "bottom half" to the MAC. As of yesterday, the "top half": Kent 58 RPI; EMU 95 (although they're 4-5 vs D1 teams); Akron 101; Buffalo 113; NIU 115; and Ohio 119. Then there's a big jump to the "bottom half": Toledo 181; BG 220; Fiami 243, WMU 247; BSU 251; CMU 280.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 1:03 PM
This is a match of two entirely different teams... a physical team vs a finesse team.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 1:09 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I think most NIU fans are cautiously optimistic but are taking a wait and see attitude. If we start beating MAC teams (and there's really no one we can pencil in as a "W") then more will start believing.
The other side of that is there is no one in the MAC that you can pencil in as an "L" either. And both your statement and mine apply to us as well.
But at least as far as RPI is concerned, there's a distinct "top half" and "bottom half" to the MAC. As of yesterday, the "top half": Kent 58 RPI; EMU 95 (although they're 4-5 vs D1 teams); Akron 101; Buffalo 113; NIU 115; and Ohio 119. Then there's a big jump to the "bottom half": Toledo 181; BG 220; Fiami 243, WMU 247; BSU 251; CMU 280.
After seeing Western last night I would expect them to improve as the season progresses.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 2:53 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
This is a match of two entirely different teams... a physical team vs a finesse team.
That has me a little worried. I remember how much we struggled against Tennessee State's physical defense.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 3:40 PM
ohio starters outscores NIU starters by over 20 points. expect a double digit win.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 4:40 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
1 thing we know for sure: NIU is a football school and not BB and therefor there will be a low turn out for this game. I would be surprised if the announced attendance is greater than 3,000, with actual fans at about 2,000.
We know winning on the road is tuff in this conference and these 1st 2 games are away, victories would be a real confidence boost.




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NIU's top reported attendance in nine home games this year is 1,073. This game probably will be about the same. I don't think NIU has had a reported attendance above 2,000 in several years. EMU is probably the only school that does worse in basketball attendance.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 4:49 PM
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I think most NIU fans are cautiously optimistic but are taking a wait and see attitude. If we start beating MAC teams (and there's really no one we can pencil in as a "W") then more will start believing.
The other side of that is there is no one in the MAC that you can pencil in as an "L" either. And both your statement and mine apply to us as well.
But at least as far as RPI is concerned, there's a distinct "top half" and "bottom half" to the MAC. As of yesterday, the "top half": Kent 58 RPI; EMU 95 (although they're 4-5 vs D1 teams); Akron 101; Buffalo 113; NIU 115; and Ohio 119. Then there's a big jump to the "bottom half": Toledo 181; BG 220; Fiami 243, WMU 247; BSU 251; CMU 280.
The RPI really only takes into account record and strength of schedule. So it counts the same if you win or lose by 1 or 100. Hence, if you get a few close wins and play a tough schedule, your RPI will be good, even if you are blown out by the good teams. If you look at other rating systems you won't see such a divide, except for perhaps Akron pretty well ahead of everyone else. Sagarin, for example, has it this way right now: Akron 66, Ohio 120, Kent State 123, Toledo 127, Eastern Michigan 147, Northern Illinois 164, Buffalo 168, Ball State 195, Central Michigan 197, Western Michigan 200, Bowling Green 202, Miami 222.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 5:36 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
1 thing we know for sure: NIU is a football school and not BB and therefor there will be a low turn out for this game. I would be surprised if the announced attendance is greater than 3,000, with actual fans at about 2,000.
We know winning on the road is tuff in this conference and these 1st 2 games are away, victories would be a real confidence boost.


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1st 2 games are not away, Saturday's game against Balls is in the Convo.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 9:15 PM
Anyone else annoyed by the dark floor at NIU? Almost as bad as blue field at Boise St
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Posted: 1/6/2016 9:28 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
1 thing we know for sure: NIU is a football school and not BB and therefor there will be a low turn out for this game. I would be surprised if the announced attendance is greater than 3,000, with actual fans at about 2,000.
We know winning on the road is tuff in this conference and these 1st 2 games are away, victories would be a real confidence boost.
their fan board says they will be expecting just over a 1000 for the third game in a row
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Posted: 1/6/2016 9:57 PM
Is there a strategy or idea surrounding our offense? I might not have the most trained eye, but I've never seen something so disjointed. What exactly are we trying to accomplish out there?
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Posted: 1/6/2016 9:58 PM
Well we have 17 more wacks at the mole.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:00 PM
Turning off and heading to bed.

Campbell didn't come to play. The slow stiff they have in the low post isn't that athletic.

Their guards out played our guards. Usually equals loss.

That said, NIU doesn't impress me. Hopefully it was an off night on opening night in conference play.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:08 PM
Eeek, bad loss. Officiating wasn't favorable, but no excuses. We may end up wishing we had this one come February. Can't give NIU that much credit (yet), this one is on us. I hope I'm wrong and NIU is for real. But I doubt it. Disappointing.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:09 PM
Well, here we go again, struggling on the road to a not so good team. Does that make us more than a not so good team? More of the same as last year. So we are 0-1 on the road this year.
Next up, a road game at Ball State, will we right the ship or slip to 0-2 on the road?



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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:19 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
Well, here we go again, struggling on the road to a not so good team. Does that make us more than a not so good team? More of the same as last year. So we are 0-1 on the road this year.
Next up, a road game at Ball State, will we right the ship or slip to 0-2 on the road?



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What do you define as a road game? You complain a lot, which is annoying. But don't be flat out wrong.

PS it seems like we are out-hustled for rebounds a lot. Not sure if the stats back that up but it appears we don't even try half the time.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:22 PM
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Well, here we go again, struggling on the road to a not so good team. Does that make us more than a not so good team? More of the same as last year. So we are 0-1 on the road this year.
Next up, a road game at Ball State, will we right the ship or slip to 0-2 on the road?



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What do you define as a road game? You complain a lot, which is annoying. But don't be flat out wrong.
+1

When did Richland Ave become a road game?
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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:41 PM
#saulball 0-2 thus far career record vs. NIU
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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:47 PM
We were in it with ten minutes to play and then everything fell apart. Not a good shooting nites. Too many fouls. We aren't deep enough the get into that much foul trouble especially having to sit Tone and Simmons early in the second half.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 10:50 PM
As Rob C. is known for saying, "that was a Fail." Ugh :(
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