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Tom Valentino
3/1/2016 10:16 PM
I would love nothing more than to come back and break Akron's heart in a MAC final, but if we can nail down the 2 or 3 seed this weekend, there's a very real chance we won't even see them again.

They've made 19 and 20 3-pointers in their past two games, respectively, so if you're a believer in a regression to the mean, then a market correction is coming. They haven't been particularly great away from home. The conference is as balanced as it has ever been. And there are no byes all the way to the semis this year.

Yes, we still have a lot of business to take care of, too. And that is exactly what our guys should be focused on. But if we do get that third shot at Zippy next week...BRING IT.
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Mark Lembright '85
3/1/2016 10:22 PM
Akron shot the lights out from the 3 against BG this past weekend too, so their performance tonight is not an anomaly. Maybe Akron's getting hot at the right time? If so, s***!

If Ohio can win at Oxford, and given Miami's performance lately that's not the given that it appeared to be 2 weeks ago, things look good for a top 4 seed for the MAC Tourney.

Edit: I see Miami beat Buffalo tonight. Dang!
Last Edited: 3/1/2016 10:26:03 PM by Mark Lembright '85
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Bogey5
3/1/2016 10:44 PM
Tom Valentino wrote:expand_more
I would love nothing more than to come back and break Akron's heart in a MAC final
And I'd love to bang Kate Upton. Doesn't mean its happening anytime soon.
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Bobcat1998
3/1/2016 11:14 PM
I hate Kron but I respect the heck out of them. Crashed the boards..passed the ball..ran what looked like an offense..coachable group...I think they deserved to win tonight.
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Andrew Ruck
3/2/2016 8:26 AM
Yeah there were a few uncontested 3s, but there were plenty from way behind the arc or well defended 3s. The final 10 minutes of the 1st half showed me a lot from this team, they responded great to the unreal barrage to start the game. The improbable and well-executed 3 to end the 1st half hurt pretty bad.

I felt like our success was more reliable and repeatable. Simmons & Setty with great drives to the hoop, finding Dartis on spot-up 3s Nick Kellogg style, Tony backing down and using the hook...This team has a lot of potent weapons to put the ball in the hoop. Akron is a great 3 point shooting team but I feel like it could go south on them a lot quicker than our weapons could.

Keep in mind Akron is undefeated in convincing fashion at home. I know it seems silly to be confident after being swept by them but I do believe we can absolutely take them down.
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Bobcat1998
3/2/2016 9:42 AM
I am more worried about playing Central or Buffs than I am about a third game with Kron. I think we can hang with Akron but I feel like Central is rolling and Buffs will be motivated against us like we will be for Akron.
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bshot44
3/2/2016 10:40 AM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I am more worried about playing Central or Buffs than I am about a third game with Kron. I think we can hang with Akron but I feel like Central is rolling and Buffs will be motivated against us like we will be for Akron.
Agree. This bracket could work out very unfavorably for Ohio even if they do grab the #2 seed. CMU has had our number for a while (especially with their ability to shoot 3 and our inability to cover it) and UB would LOVE to get another shot at Ohio. Those games in the Q'finals or S'finals are terrifying far more than a 3rd game with Akron.

After the last four, I'm just not sure we have enough gas in tank to make a run in 3 straight nights in Cleveland.

If Simmons is playing 40 minutes....Campbell 39 minutes....and they have to for us to win....how will they be able to do that three straight nights vs. possibly Kent in Q'finals and CMU in S'finals....or Buffalo in Q'finals.

If Ohio gets to Saturday...they will have certainly earned it. Nothing will come easy in Cleveland.

But as they say....a chip and a chair and you got a shot. To steal one from Phillies WS run in 2008......Why can't us?
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bornacatfan
3/2/2016 12:48 PM
I keep reading about the Simmons minutes but in looking back I do not see any of the same for our other PG's historically.

Interesting as I think our present one is built tougher and stronger than the former iron man with big minutes...

same game, same time of year box score....
http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2009-201...

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-201...

He was getting very few minutes on the bench but I do not remember or could not find many threads relating a concern.
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bshot44
3/2/2016 2:39 PM
PG minutes might be similar, but those older teams had fresher help. Both games, 7 guys with at least 18 minutes.

Last night, only 5 plus 1 with 16 mins.

2015 looking gassed late. Only Setty & Campbell have full CBB experience of playing big minutes. Simmons, KK, Dartis, Block all inexperienced in that. I'd like Laster & Taylor to get more time with Block. Both have proved they can be valuable (especially on defense & rebounding)
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bornacatfan
3/2/2016 6:36 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
PG minutes might be similar, but those older teams had fresher help. Both games, 7 guys with at least 18 minutes.

Last night, only 5 plus 1 with 16 mins.

2015 looking gassed late. Only Setty & Campbell have full CBB experience of playing big minutes. Simmons, KK, Dartis, Block all inexperienced in that. I'd like Laster & Taylor to get more time with Block. Both have proved they can be valuable (especially on defense & rebounding)
I agree with that facet....I had been reading about the PG mostly and reflected on DJ and the massive minutes he logged from the time he was a frosh...and looked at his body type all 4 years marvelling at how he stayed healthy.

On this subject....the last 3 or 4 games I have watched Iowa and Iowa State have looked run down and stale. I think the season is wearing on both of them and a lot of it has to do with minutes logged. YOu are correct with the rotation shortening up....but you can also probably go back through threads on this board and find folks talking about shortening rotations to 7 players being a good thing. We never did get to Groce's want which was 10 players running in and out with no drop off. I am sure you can ...or maybe pre board crash....find a thread talking about that concept was untenable and would not give kids the timie to get into the flow of the game. I think it is a balance, keeping kids in the rotation snd fresh and being competitive every game. I think we are a bit worn down. I think next year will be an expanded rotation and will pay dividends.
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Parkersburgwvcat
3/2/2016 11:02 PM
WOW!!!
Those of you who truly care about this fine basketball program should check out my previous post from January ( when most of you hacks thought that the sky was falling).
I stated that our extreemly fine coach would right the ship with our young team and he has more than does so. Did anyone even think that 20 wins was possible then? Obviously, most didn't.
O k, so we played a miserable game tonight. Young teams lay an occasional egg. Actaually, older ones do also. Back the heck off!! We are going in the right direction and should be proud and happy for the progress.
Every one seems to be an expert. Perhaps it's time to leave the coaching to COACH Phillips and concentrate on being expert fans. So far, most of you have failed.
Just sayin.'
Mike V. Proud Cat fan from Parkersburg.
I have just completed my opening statement!!!
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GroverBall
3/3/2016 12:11 AM
and maybe a beverage or two?
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Jeff McKinney
3/3/2016 2:41 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
PG minutes might be similar, but those older teams had fresher help. Both games, 7 guys with at least 18 minutes.

Last night, only 5 plus 1 with 16 mins.

2015 looking gassed late. Only Setty & Campbell have full CBB experience of playing big minutes. Simmons, KK, Dartis, Block all inexperienced in that. I'd like Laster & Taylor to get more time with Block. Both have proved they can be valuable (especially on defense & rebounding)
I agree with that facet....I had been reading about the PG mostly and reflected on DJ and the massive minutes he logged from the time he was a frosh...and looked at his body type all 4 years marvelling at how he stayed healthy.

On this subject....the last 3 or 4 games I have watched Iowa and Iowa State have looked run down and stale. I think the season is wearing on both of them and a lot of it has to do with minutes logged. YOu are correct with the rotation shortening up....but you can also probably go back through threads on this board and find folks talking about shortening rotations to 7 players being a good thing. We never did get to Groce's want which was 10 players running in and out with no drop off. I am sure you can ...or maybe pre board crash....find a thread talking about that concept was untenable and would not give kids the timie to get into the flow of the game. I think it is a balance, keeping kids in the rotation snd fresh and being competitive every game. I think we are a bit worn down. I think next year will be an expanded rotation and will pay dividends.
I think you are probably correct.
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bshot44
3/3/2016 10:56 AM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
and maybe a beverage or two?
Yuppers!
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bshot44
3/3/2016 11:01 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
PG minutes might be similar, but those older teams had fresher help. Both games, 7 guys with at least 18 minutes.

Last night, only 5 plus 1 with 16 mins.

2015 looking gassed late. Only Setty & Campbell have full CBB experience of playing big minutes. Simmons, KK, Dartis, Block all inexperienced in that. I'd like Laster & Taylor to get more time with Block. Both have proved they can be valuable (especially on defense & rebounding)
I agree with that facet....I had been reading about the PG mostly and reflected on DJ and the massive minutes he logged from the time he was a frosh...and looked at his body type all 4 years marvelling at how he stayed healthy.

On this subject....the last 3 or 4 games I have watched Iowa and Iowa State have looked run down and stale. I think the season is wearing on both of them and a lot of it has to do with minutes logged. YOu are correct with the rotation shortening up....but you can also probably go back through threads on this board and find folks talking about shortening rotations to 7 players being a good thing. We never did get to Groce's want which was 10 players running in and out with no drop off. I am sure you can ...or maybe pre board crash....find a thread talking about that concept was untenable and would not give kids the timie to get into the flow of the game. I think it is a balance, keeping kids in the rotation snd fresh and being competitive every game. I think we are a bit worn down. I think next year will be an expanded rotation and will pay dividends.
I think you are definitely right about next season. You'll obviously subtract Setty from the mix, but with a year under their belt....Saul has the option of having a pretty deep rotation next year if he chooses (still a little thin at PG, but hopefully someone incoming can spell Simmons from time-to-time if needed)

Simmons
Campbell
KK
Dartis
Block
Mompremier
Taylor
Laster
Gollon (hopefully can give them 5 mins a night????)
Harley (maybe has an attitude adjustment similar to Setty in '15 & can contribute)
Dozier (coming off what I'm guessing is a redshirt year...maybe contribute???)
+ incoming freshman/JUCOs

That's 11 guys at minimum that have been in the program 2-3 years. Depth shouldn't be much of an issue, I'd think in 2016-17....which hopefully leads to a less worn down team come March.

Tired or not...if they can get hot for three nights in Cleveland, there is a chance (assuming they don't stumble in Oxford Friday.....then things get really murky)

Regardless....it's at least nice to be back to (at worst) competing in the tourney after what we saw in 2014-15
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OU_Country
3/3/2016 3:56 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
PG minutes might be similar, but those older teams had fresher help. Both games, 7 guys with at least 18 minutes.

Last night, only 5 plus 1 with 16 mins.

2015 looking gassed late. Only Setty & Campbell have full CBB experience of playing big minutes. Simmons, KK, Dartis, Block all inexperienced in that. I'd like Laster & Taylor to get more time with Block. Both have proved they can be valuable (especially on defense & rebounding)
I agree with that facet....I had been reading about the PG mostly and reflected on DJ and the massive minutes he logged from the time he was a frosh...and looked at his body type all 4 years marvelling at how he stayed healthy.

On this subject....the last 3 or 4 games I have watched Iowa and Iowa State have looked run down and stale. I think the season is wearing on both of them and a lot of it has to do with minutes logged. YOu are correct with the rotation shortening up....but you can also probably go back through threads on this board and find folks talking about shortening rotations to 7 players being a good thing. We never did get to Groce's want which was 10 players running in and out with no drop off. I am sure you can ...or maybe pre board crash....find a thread talking about that concept was untenable and would not give kids the timie to get into the flow of the game. I think it is a balance, keeping kids in the rotation snd fresh and being competitive every game. I think we are a bit worn down. I think next year will be an expanded rotation and will pay dividends.
I think you are definitely right about next season. You'll obviously subtract Setty from the mix, but with a year under their belt....Saul has the option of having a pretty deep rotation next year if he chooses (still a little thin at PG, but hopefully someone incoming can spell Simmons from time-to-time if needed)

Simmons
Campbell
KK
Dartis
Block
Mompremier
Taylor
Laster
Gollon (hopefully can give them 5 mins a night????)
Harley (maybe has an attitude adjustment similar to Setty in '15 & can contribute)
Dozier (coming off what I'm guessing is a redshirt year...maybe contribute???)
+ incoming freshman/JUCOs

That's 11 guys at minimum that have been in the program 2-3 years. Depth shouldn't be much of an issue, I'd think in 2016-17....which hopefully leads to a less worn down team come March.

Tired or not...if they can get hot for three nights in Cleveland, there is a chance (assuming they don't stumble in Oxford Friday.....then things get really murky)

Regardless....it's at least nice to be back to (at worst) competing in the tourney after what we saw in 2014-15
My only concern on this is my perception that Saul likes that shorter rotation. Right now, he has quality depth (from my observation) at the 3,4,5 spots, and it seems it will continue next year. The guard spots, maybe not as much, but Laster still is capable of providing more minutes than he was asked to versus Akron. I sound like a broken record, but that combo guard/point guard seems like a big need for future years. Whether that comes from Gollon or Laster improving, or a new recruit, I don't know.
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Monroe Slavin
3/3/2016 6:35 PM
Any help likely next season from guys who are on the roster now but deep on the bench, not hardly playing at all?
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Casper71
3/4/2016 12:00 PM
In bball and as a mid major, what you really need to do is get ONE stud every year. Every other year or two you need TWO studs. That can get you to 7-8 players that can play pretty quickly and keep the program going.

The other option is to get 4-5 players in one year who really fit the system and develop. Ride them thru the senior year with an additional player or two added to the roster each year after you get the four. This tends to leave the cupboard bare but at least you have a year or two that are really good.

I know, easier said than done...
Last Edited: 3/4/2016 12:03:32 PM by Casper71
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