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Topic: Up 3...3 seconds left....and Saul doesn't foul????????????
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FearLeon
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Posted: 3/16/2016 8:51 PM
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Makes no sense.
None.
Sure...let them take a 3 and tie it up.
Defender has to be on the guy as soon as he catches and foul.
If a team makes the first FT....gets the rebound off intentional miss with 1.5 seconds left and scores to tie it up...more power to them.

The odds are always in favor of fouling in that situation instead of allowing a team to shoot a 3. That was a mistake by Saul and he should be called out for it.

Treg bailed out Saul in OT.
Last Edited: 3/16/2016 10:03:49 PM by FearLeon
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:27 PM
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Foul--the shot goes in- and 1. Cats lose by 1.

Just one of the alternate possible thoughts. I don't disagree with your philosophy FearLeon but I would find it hard to pull the trigger on the call- that is why I could never have coached.
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:29 PM
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bobcat2nc wrote:expand_more
Foul--the shot goes in- and 1. Cats lose by 1.

Just one of the alternate possible thoughts. I don't disagree with your philosophy FearLeon but I would find it hard to pull the trigger on the call- that is why I could never have coached.
Obviously, you want the foul before it goes up. All I know is I've seen more teams tie it up with a 3 in that situation, than teams winning by making a FT...miss 2nd intentionally...get rebound and score to tie or win at buzzer. The odds are stacked against you in that situation.

Very happy about the win and if that's the first time I've really questioned Saul this year, then I say it's been a damn good year. I couldn't say that about Christian.
Last Edited: 3/16/2016 9:32:32 PM by FearLeon
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:45 PM
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The mistake that caused that mistake was not fouling in the backcourt, thus giving them an easier way to get an inbounds to a squared up shooter.
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:51 PM
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Saul said that they planned to foul, but their guard caught the ball facing the basket: thus the rule is do not foul.
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Posted: 3/16/2016 11:16 PM
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Panda wrote:expand_more
Saul said that they planned to foul, but their guard caught the ball facing the basket: thus the rule is do not foul.
Yep.

And if I remember right they got the ball down the court quickly and the backcourt foul opp was gone. the backcourt foul strategy still left time for the same type last shot scenario to occur.

We don't (and did not) "lose" if they hit that 3. Foul on that 3 and they hit it then we could lose - in a couple different scenarios. I'll take OT in that situation any game.
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Posted: 3/16/2016 11:44 PM
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RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Saul said that they planned to foul, but their guard caught the ball facing the basket: thus the rule is do not foul.
Yep.

And if I remember right they got the ball down the court quickly and the backcourt foul opp was gone. the backcourt foul strategy still left time for the same type last shot scenario to occur.

We don't (and did not) "lose" if they hit that 3. Foul on that 3 and they hit it then we could lose - in a couple different scenarios. I'll take OT in that situation any game.
That was my thought in my original post. Foul is first option but realize the guy getting the ball is a shooter and knows how to get a shot off if a foul is imminent. I would be more likely to make the same call as happened.

I understand the other reasoning too but I would take chances in OT as well.
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Posted: 3/17/2016 8:38 AM
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A different question but in the same universe: Albany fouled Treg before the inbounds late in OT (9.6 seconds left), so no time ran off the clock. Why don't you see that more often in late game situations? That seems much smarter than fouling after the ball is put into play and a few ticks run off (unless you are playing for the steal).
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Posted: 3/17/2016 9:30 AM
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I think it's more likely that would be called an intentional foul, but I agree with you.
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Posted: 3/17/2016 9:58 AM
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C Money wrote:expand_more
A different question but in the same universe: Albany fouled Treg before the inbounds late in OT (9.6 seconds left), so no time ran off the clock. Why don't you see that more often in late game situations? That seems much smarter than fouling after the ball is put into play and a few ticks run off (unless you are playing for the steal).
I think teams usually will trade a second of time for a chance to get a steal or a five-second violation.
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Posted: 3/17/2016 10:26 AM
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boydhallbobcat wrote:expand_more
I think it's more likely that would be called an intentional foul, but I agree with you.
I agree with this in theory but it is so seldom called that way. Even a gratuitous attempt to make a foul appear to be "in the flow" avoids the intentional call (usually?)
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Posted: 3/17/2016 1:57 PM
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I thought we did foul in the backcourt because we had one to give. that's what set up the sideline inbounds play.
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Posted: 3/17/2016 3:08 PM
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fire saul ? .. hire FEARleon !! ..

BANG !! .. Oh BABY what a BIG TIME great idea !!
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Posted: 3/17/2016 3:12 PM
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ha

I think anyone in the chat knows where I stand.

KK is a step slow on D to begin with ....I would have liked to see him make the man catch the ball going the opposite direction with pressure. Still foul on the floor is the right call. Hard foul too. Nothing easy. Huggins type fouls where the shot is not in question.

It did not happen. Live and learn.
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Posted: 3/17/2016 4:31 PM
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I thought it was a little odd that KK was even on the floor in that situation.
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Posted: 3/17/2016 6:12 PM
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Danny's Knee wrote:expand_more
fire saul ? .. hire FEARleon !! ..

BANG !! .. Oh BABY what a BIG TIME great idea !!
Bang!!..Oh BABY what a BIG TIME bad idea!!

I still love #SaulBall....just foul next time you get in the same situation!
Last Edited: 3/17/2016 6:32:41 PM by FearLeon
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Posted: 3/17/2016 6:56 PM
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Another Coach who doesn't foul up 3 with under 10 seconds left.
#MattPainterPurdue

Ridiculous. How many times do we see this? Coaches will never, ever learn.
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