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Posted: 2/22/2016 9:28 AM
"It's Time for a New Scoreboard, Charlie Brown" is one of the lesser known but quality Peanuts television specials.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 10:02 AM
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Has anyone ever taken into account how much better the Convo would look if it had one? Right now, as much as I love the Convo, it feels cavernous with nothing in the middle. Put something in the middle and in my opinion it makes the place feel less empty.
By "something" I believe the range of options needs to begin and end with "scoreboard" - indoor blimps, more spirit flags, need not apply.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 10:38 AM
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Has anyone ever taken into account how much better the Convo would look if it had one? Right now, as much as I love the Convo, it feels cavernous with nothing in the middle. Put something in the middle and in my opinion it makes the place feel less empty.
By "something" I believe the range of options needs to begin and end with "scoreboard" - indoor blimps, more spirit flags, need not apply.
I forgot about the blimps! Does Sprint still sponsor it-if it even exists? I jumped into an O-Zone based dogpile once for the coupons it dropped only to discover it was not worth the scrum.

In my dream of dreams I would love a ribbon screen but I don't think that's feasible given the design of the Convo. Does Daktronics still make parts for our existing screens? ; )

Does the entire concourse still look like it fell out of 1972? I always felt like I needed to grow sideburns and wear a butterfly collar walking around there. (disclaimer I have not been to a home game since our CBI tilt against Wright State in 2014.)
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Posted: 2/22/2016 10:59 AM
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Posted: 2/22/2016 10:59 AM
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Balls did the entire sound system, vid boards and arena scoreboard along with floor paint and refinish amongst other changes in Worthen for 1.2 M http://www.ballstatedaily.com/article/2015/08/worthen-are...

http://cms.bsu.edu/news/articles/2013/8/video-boards-enha...

http://ballstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209052460

If they can do it for $1.2 mil, one would think that Ohio could get it done for that amount, right? The floor shouldn't need refinished since it was recently re-done.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 11:42 AM
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Just out of curiosity, why do some BA'ers believe a new video board is important?

If you're concluding that I don't, you're right. Oh, I think a video board is nice but not important to my thoroughly enjoying a game.

Your thinking?
I'm with you Mike! I attended my first game in several years Sat. (Miami). I can't say that I watched those boards. Do people go to watch the game or videos? Basketball is not a game with stops in play like football. You watch the boards and miss the game imo. However, in football, there is time between plays to catch replays on a board. I was there, never had trouble seeing the score, rarely caught anything on the video board except the intro which is old with new faces. I'm in the camp of "let me watch the game" and could care less about video bids., hanging score bds., gray tile on the walls, etc. I go for the "game" and in my opinion have it better than most even if the old girl is almost 50 yrs. old.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 12:13 PM
I was at the game Saturday and agree with some that it's fine just the way it is. You can see the game and not be distracted by a kazillion things that will go up there if you have it. I thought the pregame video before the lineup introductions was ridiculous, but I guess that's the norm anymore. In my opinion it would be as if we took a grand old theater and made it into a multiplex. But I'm like the old Johnny Mercer tune, "I'm old fashioned, I love the moonlight, I love the old fashioned things".
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Posted: 2/22/2016 12:56 PM
The last few times I've sat in upper bowl seats, I have had a partially obstructed view of all four scoreboards. I had to look at multiple boards to get a full view of the information (one board for score, another for time, another for video, etc.)

I wonder if we to get a larger, more visible video board, could we charge more from sponsors for advertisements?
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Posted: 2/22/2016 1:18 PM
Lande71 wrote:expand_more
Just out of curiosity, why do some BA'ers believe a new video board is important?

If you're concluding that I don't, you're right. Oh, I think a video board is nice but not important to my thoroughly enjoying a game.

Your thinking?
I'm with you Mike! I attended my first game in several years Sat. (Miami). I can't say that I watched those boards. Do people go to watch the game or videos? Basketball is not a game with stops in play like football. You watch the boards and miss the game imo. However, in football, there is time between plays to catch replays on a board. I was there, never had trouble seeing the score, rarely caught anything on the video board except the intro which is old with new faces. I'm in the camp of "let me watch the game" and could care less about video bids., hanging score bds., gray tile on the walls, etc. I go for the "game" and in my opinion have it better than most even if the old girl is almost 50 yrs. old.
They might not matter to some people during the game, but if you're gonna put forth the effort to make a pre-game video or have intros with video and people can't see it, then what's the point? You have to do those things to keep up with the Joneses.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 3:03 PM
I was always taught that bad things happen when you try to "keep up with the joneses".
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Posted: 2/22/2016 3:08 PM
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The last few times I've sat in upper bowl seats, I have had a partially obstructed view of all four scoreboards. I had to look at multiple boards to get a full view of the information (one board for score, another for time, another for video, etc.)

I wonder if we to get a larger, more visible video board, could we charge more from sponsors for advertisements?
While regarding Akron's Rhodes Arena as an enlarged HS gym with woeful sight lines - the seats angle back so gently that fans can't see the near side line - I much admire its two scoreboards. They show up-to-date game stats and in LARGE numerals. (No video board in Rhodes)
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Posted: 2/22/2016 3:24 PM
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The last few times I've sat in upper bowl seats, I have had a partially obstructed view of all four scoreboards. I had to look at multiple boards to get a full view of the information (one board for score, another for time, another for video, etc.)

I wonder if we to get a larger, more visible video board, could we charge more from sponsors for advertisements?
While regarding Akron's Rhodes Arena as an enlarged HS gym with woeful sight lines - the seats angle back so gently that fans can't see the near side line - I much admire its two scoreboards. They show up-to-date game stats and in LARGE numerals. (No video board in Rhodes)

Mike, I think the JAR does have a video board. One image I looked up of a few. This one is from 2012 according to it's page. Perhaps you're considering the MAC Center at Kent?

Akron's JAR:
https://stadiumsandarenas.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/220...

Kent's MAC Center:
https://stadiumsandarenas.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/217...


I guess to a certain degree, I don't "need" a video board in the arena. I'd like to have one though. I concur with Shaba, that the need to have VISIBLE scoreboards is more important. I'd also like to know the pts/rebs/fouls of the players on the court.

When it comes to what it provides, I'm with everyone that it adds something without doubt, and can improve a game day experience. I was able to make it to Hinkle this winter, and their old barn has all the necessary amenities with regards to audio and video, while still holding it's charm. It didn't change that the focus was on the floor. When they honored Andrew Smith, the big video board gave the proper presentation about fight with cancer that he and his wife went through. A proper video board should be consider as a normal expectation at a good D1 program in my book. OUr program, and The Convo are that and then some. It's time to get the audio, video, and concourses up to the standards of the rest of the program. I have to be honest, I thought this was something that was on the near future plans anyway?
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Posted: 2/22/2016 4:09 PM
Most of us go to the game "for the game", the better hand dryers, video scoreboards, better concessions, etc. go a long way to convincing those on the fringes of fandom to join the party and perhaps expand our fan base little by little (wives, kids, less sports crazed friends, etc.). Not knowing the stats as the game goes on drives me a little crazy in particular.

In the hanging scoreboard conversation...comparing arena to arena visually for similarities and drawing meaningful conclusions from that is impossible. I've heard Purdue is very similar although haven't paid that much attention to exact details. Being very similar and exactly the same can be the difference between go and no-go (perhaps one used 1/4" thick angle supports, and the other 5/16" for example). Also, with any building the wind/snow load plays a factor in what the roof can support. I have no idea how Athens compares to West Lafayette in that regard, but my point is even the same exact building with the same exact scoreboard could be OK in one area but not in another. Another important thing to consider is soil pressure. These can vary widely from area to area as well which impacts footing/foundation size requirements (think building on a swamp or building on bedrock). Any weight you add to the ceiling carries through the roof to the walls to the foundations so many things can factor into the ability of a structure to support an increased load on the roof.

Moral of the story is the engineering study simply has to be completed before getting this thing off the ground (literally).
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Posted: 2/22/2016 4:35 PM
The original sound system in the Convo was not exactly small. I wonder how much it weighed in comparison to Ball States new video board. Looking at the board installed at Ball State it doesn't appear to be all that heavy compared to other center hung systems.

As for the views my tickets are in the corner, 2nd row, upper arena arena and the current boards are obstructed a lot. I love the Convo and the new seats have been a wonderful improvement. Also in terms of priorities I think seat replacement definitely ranked ahead of hand dryers, video boards and concessions. That being said a center hung board is a big deal or almost every major arena in the country wouldn't have one. It's probably the next logical step in terms of Convo facility improvements. We just need to get more donors supporting the Bobcat Club! It will make these projects a little easier!
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Posted: 2/22/2016 7:20 PM
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The last few times I've sat in upper bowl seats, I have had a partially obstructed view of all four scoreboards. I had to look at multiple boards to get a full view of the information (one board for score, another for time, another for video, etc.)

I wonder if we to get a larger, more visible video board, could we charge more from sponsors for advertisements?
While regarding Akron's Rhodes Arena as an enlarged HS gym with woeful sight lines - the seats angle back so gently that fans can't see the near side line - I much admire its two scoreboards. They show up-to-date game stats and in LARGE numerals. (No video board in Rhodes)

Mike, I think the JAR does have a video board. One image I looked up of a few. This one is from 2012 according to it's page. Perhaps you're considering the MAC Center at Kent?

Akron's JAR:
https://stadiumsandarenas.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/220...

Kent's MAC Center:
https://stadiumsandarenas.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/217...


I guess to a certain degree, I don't "need" a video board in the arena. I'd like to have one though. I concur with Shaba, that the need to have VISIBLE scoreboards is more important. I'd also like to know the pts/rebs/fouls of the players on the court.

When it comes to what it provides, I'm with everyone that it adds something without doubt, and can improve a game day experience. I was able to make it to Hinkle this winter, and their old barn has all the necessary amenities with regards to audio and video, while still holding it's charm. It didn't change that the focus was on the floor. When they honored Andrew Smith, the big video board gave the proper presentation about fight with cancer that he and his wife went through. A proper video board should be consider as a normal expectation at a good D1 program in my book. OUr program, and The Convo are that and then some. It's time to get the audio, video, and concourses up to the standards of the rest of the program. I have to be honest, I thought this was something that was on the near future plans anyway?
No, not confusing Akron and Kent gyms. If Rhodes has a video board, it wasn't being used during this past Saturday's women's game.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 7:51 PM
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Most of us go to the game "for the game", the better hand dryers, video scoreboards, better concessions, etc. go a long way to convincing those on the fringes of fandom to join the party and perhaps expand our fan base little by little (wives, kids, less sports crazed friends, etc.). Not knowing the stats as the game goes on drives me a little crazy in particular.

In the hanging scoreboard conversation...comparing arena to arena visually for similarities and drawing meaningful conclusions from that is impossible. I've heard Purdue is very similar although haven't paid that much attention to exact details. Being very similar and exactly the same can be the difference between go and no-go (perhaps one used 1/4" thick angle supports, and the other 5/16" for example). Also, with any building the wind/snow load plays a factor in what the roof can support. I have no idea how Athens compares to West Lafayette in that regard, but my point is even the same exact building with the same exact scoreboard could be OK in one area but not in another. Another important thing to consider is soil pressure. These can vary widely from area to area as well which impacts footing/foundation size requirements (think building on a swamp or building on bedrock). Any weight you add to the ceiling carries through the roof to the walls to the foundations so many things can factor into the ability of a structure to support an increased load on the roof.

Moral of the story is the engineering study simply has to be completed before getting this thing off the ground (literally).
Sounds like you shanked your drive on 16 at Firestone over the weekend. Seriously, your point is well taken but I'm not sure I want my obc foreced funds spent on an engineering study when they are begging for 25K to upgrade the women's basketball locker room.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 8:07 PM
Ahh yes the Monster. I've learned that it's better to just go ahead and hit your 2nd shot in the water instead of your 3rd.

Did get some swings in this weekend at the Cleveland golf show. May have to change my screen name soon as a young buck demolished my long drive effort.

I hope Bolden gets an extension with the locker refurb written into it.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 8:41 PM
I know I made a modest (and I do mean modest)donation to the men's lockerroom and I think I will do the same for the women's team. They deserve it and every little bit helps.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 9:12 PM
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Ahh yes the Monster. I've learned that it's better to just go ahead and hit your 2nd shot in the water instead of your 3rd.

Did get some swings in this weekend at the Cleveland golf show. May have to change my screen name soon as a young buck demolished my long drive effort.

I hope Bolden gets an extension with the locker refurb written into it.
Sadly, I don't think and extension, new locker rooms or anything else will be enough to keep Bolden here. He is gonna be one hot property in about 6 weeks...
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Posted: 2/22/2016 9:36 PM
OUs LONG Driver wrote:expand_more
Ahh yes the Monster. I've learned that it's better to just go ahead and hit your 2nd shot in the water instead of your 3rd.

Did get some swings in this weekend at the Cleveland golf show. May have to change my screen name soon as a young buck demolished my long drive effort.

I hope Bolden gets an extension with the locker refurb written into it.
At 625, if you can hit your second shot into the water, you have to give me 2 a side. Of course you could pull a John Daly and just hit your second shot into the fans behind the green. Oh, i loved played Firestone for so many years when my retired father-in-law worked the greens crew from tax day till Oct. 15. If Athens County only had a place for those of us approaching retirement could be a starter or fine greens maintenance man.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 11:55 AM
I was trying to figure out where to put my thoughts without starting a new thread. I chose this one.

Last night, for about the first 10 game clock minutes, I watched Grand Canyon host S.Carolina State in the first round of the CIT on the CBSSN. They have a very, very nice new arena, and a team/program that would seem to be on the rise.

What I noted more than anything was the top shelf video boards and ribbon all over the place, followed by VERY impressive student involvement and participation. They had a packed student section for a CIT game that was coordinated and involved for the entire time I had the game on. They had ribbon boards on the court side advertising boards in front of the scorer's table, and up high showing messages about Stand til we Score, "Defense!" etc.

Guess what they didn't have? A center court scoreboard. But man, for at least that game, they had the game-day atmosphere down to a science.


http://www.gculopes.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=3906

http://www.gculopes.com/facilities/?id=21
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:00 PM
Well duh, what do you expect? They're a for-profit school.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:08 PM
Coached by one half of Thunder and Lightning, formerly of the CMU Chippewas, no?
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:19 PM
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Well duh, what do you expect? They're a for-profit school.
1) I was not aware of that.

2) What does that have to do with having decent scoreboards and having a really well done game day experience and great student involvement?
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Posted: 3/15/2016 1:09 PM
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Well duh, what do you expect? They're a for-profit school.
1) I was not aware of that.

2) What does that have to do with having decent scoreboards and having a really well done game day experience and great student involvement?
It's even more impressive that they do it with Tempe and Tuscon not that far away. These little private schools have some advantages that small public schools don't.
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