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perimeterpost
1/24/2016 1:02 PM
yeah I miss the Jim Christian that went 1-5 v Akron, caused Jon Smith to walk off the team and caused Maurice Ndour to start looking for a place to transfer to. Great guy, that Jim Christian.
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Monroe Slavin
1/24/2016 2:04 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
As I watched this game, particularly in the 2nd half, the camera would focus on several players after missed shots and it was apparent by their facial expression that they were not pleased, frustrated, and disappointed.
I am thinking that we are just not mentally tuff enough as a team. We're soft and the other teams know it. Get a good lead on the Bobcats and know that the game is in hand.




iGO BOBCATS


Ouch. That is something that I never want to read about a team. Same with the 'can't take a punch or a whiff of adversity' remarks.

I still have high hopes for BetterCallSaul.


Interesting that Saul's getting moderate heat after 1.5 years but another coach with 7 times the experience at Ohio is not nearly so second-guessed.
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Cbus Convo
1/24/2016 2:08 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
It appears as though some folks on this board owe Elton Alexander an apology...
Hah, really? Three of his top 5 "eye-test" teams aren't over .500. His #1 team is 5th in the West. The teams he picked to finish 11th and 12th are a combined 7-5. Don't hold your breath waiting on that apology.

He might not have been very accurate in the aggregate but he nailed the only one that matters.
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OUVan
1/24/2016 4:11 PM
Cbus Convo wrote:expand_more
He might not have been very accurate in the aggregate but he nailed the only one that matters.
He may have been right in the same way a broken clock is right twice a day but no one owes him an apology. You can't be right about one team if you are wrong about every other one. And you can't write a column about an eye-test if you've only seen two of the teams. Plenty of people, including a number on these boards, were right about the Cats but Elton isn't one of them.
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Casper71
1/24/2016 7:10 PM
Successful coaches get players to buy into their system and then demand that they execute more often than not.
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Jeff McKinney
1/24/2016 10:31 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
It appears as though some folks on this board owe Elton Alexander an apology...
Hah, really? Three of his top 5 "eye-test" teams aren't over .500. His #1 team is 5th in the West. The teams he picked to finish 11th and 12th are a combined 7-5. Don't hold your breath waiting on that apology.
Preach it, Bruhthuh! Elton's "eye test five" remains a joke.
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OhioCatFan
1/24/2016 10:55 PM
I have patience with this team and with this coach. We play a lot of freshmen and two of our more veteran players have never played together in varsity games until this year. To use a term that you used to hear in basketball circles, we haven't "jelled yet." I believe as the season progresses we will look better than we do today. Hopefully, they'll jell about MAC tourney time. If not, I expect us to make even more improvement before the start of next year. Saul's a good coach. You don't guide the NDSU "Fighting" Bison to an NCAA tournament win over Oklahoma if you don't know a thing or two about basketball. The best year's of Saul Ball are ahead of us. Go OHIO!
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OU_Country
1/25/2016 11:56 AM
I'll preface this by saying that I didn't get to see any of the second half, and about the first 12-13 minutes of the first half. Long run, I think they'll be fine. For me, there's no denying the bright future of the trio of Simmons, Dartis, and Block. The other three freshmen are unknowns a little to this point, but I've seen enough flashes from Gollon and Taylor to believe they'll be good players. I can't argue enough about the idea that we're watching a team with 5 freshman, 3 sophomores, and only 2-3 real upperclassmen. The inexperience shows, and its frustrating sometimes. 2010-2011 was frustrating too in case some have forgotten.

I have concerns about defense, and maybe whether or not all the pieces are there to play the way Saul wants. Defense and rebounding, from my untrained perspective, is to a certain degree effort & focus more than anything else. That's the only real concern I have.



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I've been a believer of this since the beginning of the season and a defender of KK to anyone who'd listen. However, I'm slowly beginning to believe that what we're seeing from KK is what we're going to get from him this season and next. Hope I'm wrong and that the original optimist in me proves accurate.

[/QUOTE]I'm completely on board with the what we see is what we're gonna get with regard to KK. The only way I'd say that's inaccurate is if the shoulder is a lingering issue. What we get isn't bad. I'd just hoped for a bit more on the offensive end, but on the other hand there are only so many shots to go around.



How many YEARS do we give him to "get his guys" and "implement his system"? I'm not saying we need to make a move. I'm just saying there's not a lot to instill confidence or be excited about. Part of that is I don't think he has the horses to do it yet, but recruiting is a big part of being successful. To say I've been underwhelmed by his recruiting so far is a huge understatement, and it's not getting better next year with only 1 guy coming in either.
Any college coach, in my opinion, should get 3-4 years unless there's something egregious going on. You can't get a true impression of what they're made of until their recruits get to the Jr and Sr years.

As for next year's recruits, there is another scholarship left to give, and I'd expect it to get filled in April when the signing window opens. It wouldn't surprise me if there was another one that comes open because someone wants more PT, or to be closer to home. No knowledge there of any situations, just a feeling that something like that could happen because it's commonplace nowadays.


[QUOTE=Steve] I got a headache as soon as I got to the part about how we'd be better off if Christian was still here.

Me too. The combination of three coaching changes in 5 years, and the lack of players in the cupboard after JC left is why we're even having this conversation. To suggest Saul should magically be able to fix those things isn't fair. I'll be more than willing to scream from the rooftops if the caliber of defense doesn't improve of the course of time from now to this time next year. Otherwise, I can see that there's already improvement over last year, and I hope that trend continues.
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Ohio69
1/25/2016 2:36 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I have patience with this team and with this coach. We play a lot of freshmen and two of our more veteran players have never played together in varsity games until this year. To use a term that you used to hear in basketball circles, we haven't "jelled yet." I believe as the season progresses we will look better than we do today. Hopefully, they'll jell about MAC tourney time. If not, I expect us to make even more improvement before the start of next year. Saul's a good coach. You don't guide the NDSU "Fighting" Bison to an NCAA tournament win over Oklahoma if you don't know a thing or two about basketball. The best year's of Saul Ball are ahead of us. Go OHIO!
Agreed. But, message boards aren't built for this type of thinking... ;)
Last Edited: 1/25/2016 2:36:48 PM by Ohio69
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OUVan
3/7/2016 1:50 PM
Cbus Convo wrote:expand_more
It appears as though some folks on this board owe Elton Alexander an apology...
Nope

Three of his Eye Test top 5 are playing tonight and two of them, including his #1 team, are getting points in the opening round of the MAC tourney. I'm putting this down as a firm "whiff".
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